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[19:00:45] <Juliusz Chroboczek_web_746> Let's all go to the Webtrans group, and take the microphone to say that WebRTC already solves all of the problems under consideration :-)
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[19:02:51] <Jonathan Lennox_web_192> I do think that webtrans and wish need to list each other in their conflicts list going forward.
[19:03:22] <Sean Turner_web_682> @Jonathan yes - this was mostly my bad
[19:04:03] <Sergio Garcia Murillo_web_888> @sean can you hear us?
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[19:04:25] <Juliusz Chroboczek_web_746> I can hear Sofia, but not Sergio.
[19:04:28] <Lorenzo Miniero_web_184> Sean: Sofia already volunteered to take notes
[19:04:51] <Juliusz Chroboczek_web_746> Now I do :-)
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[19:11:43] <Lorenzo Miniero_web_184> Would OPTIONS be the way to see if the server supports PATCH for trickle/restarts?
[19:12:24] <Lorenzo Miniero_web_184> Otherwise a 405 after sending a candidate-less SDP may be an issue
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[19:15:27] <Lorenzo Miniero_web_184> (can't get to the mic, sorry, monitoring multiple rooms at once...)
[19:15:55] <Cullen Jennings_web_892> Totally agree we should try and make it easy for th clients
[19:16:11] <Adam Roach_web_351> FWIW, I'm happy with making Trickle & Restart mandatory for servers to implement.
[19:16:19] <Lorenzo Miniero_web_184> OBS-WebRTC already supports a flavour of WISH
[19:16:29] <Lorenzo Miniero_web_184> (WHIP)
[19:17:02] <Lorenzo Miniero_web_184> I plan to write a test client based on gstreamer's webrtcbin as well
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[19:21:37] <Lorenzo Miniero_web_184> I'd expect the response to a restart PATCH to contain the SDP answer
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[19:25:03] <Juliusz Chroboczek_web_746> Adam, if you can make this more concrete, I'd appreciate it if you could educate me.  jch@irif.fr.
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[19:28:52] <Juliusz Chroboczek_web_746> +1
[19:32:30] <hta> what's the place the extension mechanism is taken from? I hear it as "webus", but don't recognize the name.
[19:32:42] <Nils Ohlmeier_web_964> webpush I think
[19:32:58] <hta> ah!
[19:34:12] <Adam Roach_web_351> Juliusz -- sorry, flipping back & forth between queue and chat, and I'm not sure which "this" you're referring to. Is this about the desire to use off-the-shelf broadcasting tools?
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[19:38:14] <Justin Uberti_web_883> Could there be an initial OPTIONS-style message for this?
[19:38:22] <Cullen Jennings_web_892> If the Whip endpoint is in the cloud, do you ever need a TURN server? Or do people imagine cases where you do need the TURN server ?
[19:38:34] <Justin Uberti_web_883> probably just for TCP fallback
[19:38:39] <Lorenzo Miniero_web_184> UDP being blocked would be one
[19:38:43] <Nils Ohlmeier_web_964> Cullen I think TURN TCP as fallback is the concern
[19:38:47] <Cullen Jennings_web_892> @justing - makes sense - thanks
[19:39:15] <Justin Uberti_web_883> you could also do ICE-TCP to the WISH server
[19:39:22] <Cullen Jennings_web_892> I am just being stupid .... I don't live in such a world :-)
[19:40:57] <Timothy Panton_web_345> Could we use the content type on the request to request the turn config ?
[19:41:03] <Juliusz Chroboczek_web_746> Lucky man ;-)
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[19:46:29] <Juliusz Chroboczek_web_746> Cullen, for student networks, we need to individually whitelist every (IP, port) pair.  For staff networks, it's pretty much the same, but there's a small set of ports that are guaranteed to be open, due to the Eduroam service conditions.
[19:46:57] <Juliusz Chroboczek_web_746> (Open in the out direction, of course.)
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[19:50:11] <Juliusz Chroboczek_web_746> Point taken.  Let's be explicit.
[19:51:16] <Juliusz Chroboczek_web_746> So we still have time to go to webtrans in order to be generally annoying
[19:51:18] <Juliusz Chroboczek_web_746> ?
[19:52:25] <Adam Roach_web_351> Thanks to Sergio for the work here!
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[19:52:39] <Juliusz Chroboczek_web_746> Seconded!
[19:52:40] <Sergio Garcia Murillo_web_888> thank all of you for your feedback!
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[19:52:46] <Lorenzo Miniero_web_184> +1!
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