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[00:00:25] <Andy> john levine: no matter what we say, servers will do what they want
[00:00:40] <Andy> all we can say is that it will be u-label followed by *
[00:01:05] <Andy> jck: wonder if we should go home if that is all we can do
[00:02:29] <SM> Ah, Andrew volunteered to do a miracle?
[00:02:52] <Andy> pr: hard to answer this to everyones satisfaction
[00:04:48] <Andy> jck: syntax for exact match, but other than exact match let it be server dependent
[00:05:03] <Andy> marc blanchet: exact match is not search
[00:05:16] <Andy> therefore does that mean don't do search
[00:05:27] <Andy> jck: separate real match from fuzzy match
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[00:06:17] <Andy> alex: the stricter the server requirements the fewer implentations
[00:06:38] <Andy> john levine: u-label with variants, what does that mean?
[00:07:50] <Andy> pr: jck said allow for exact as a result set. policy issue if the server will expose variants
[00:09:19] <Andy> mb: variant meanings are tied to the zone file
[00:09:59] <Andy> mb: adjustment to current text to refer to policy without mandating
[00:10:27] <Andy> scott: mentioning interop testing and unicode
[00:11:08] <Andy> guillame: need to read the notes
[00:12:10] <Andy> simone: tested variance, not multiple answers
[00:12:17] <Andy> at least 2 implementations wich support searches on u-labels
[00:12:41] <Andy> mb: don't know if we settled on this subject, on exact match
[00:14:23] <Andy> pr: client gets things in u-label form
[00:14:42] <Andy> olaf: PK send text if thing are needed.
[00:15:14] <Andy> slide 3
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[00:15:31] <Andy> on slide variants: thinks we answered this one
[00:15:36] <Andy> jck at the mic
[00:16:29] <Andy> jck: links to names
[00:17:01] <Andy> jck: issues with what is or is not a variant
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[00:19:18] <Andy> pr: hoping the earlier answer to variants
[00:19:26] <Andy> pr: protocol is agnostic
[00:20:16] <Andy> pr: specifying links and variants are expected to be server dependent
[00:21:05] <Andy> jck: like that, but varying results at different times causes problems
[00:22:43] <Andy> pr: is what we want is to not end up in a place where there is interop mush from the server and the server has no guidance on what it sends back, and so we at least want to say something more definite exact partial matches and references within its store
[00:23:27] <Andy> jck: the return whatever you like is one of the historical whois problems
[00:24:20] <Andy> alex: the whole rdap search thing is a privacy issue
[00:24:55] <Andy> yoshiro:
[00:25:02] <Andy> something about rdap queries
[00:25:17] <Andy> olaf: asking jck to write this down
[00:25:49] <Andy> jck: about privacy or the linking?
[00:25:51] <Andy> olaf: linking
[00:25:59] <yone> What I said was matching variants in search and rdap query should be consistent
[00:26:22] <πßå> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_English_sentence
[00:26:53] <Andy> last slide
[00:27:08] <Andy> marc blanchet doing bootstrapping
[00:27:28] <Andy> title slide
[00:27:55] <Andy> question about bootstrapping slide
[00:28:12] <Andy> sorry, question about bootstrapping milestone to pr
[00:28:47] <Andy> slide 2
[00:30:46] <Andy> slide 4
[00:33:41] <Andy> sorry, on slide 6
[00:33:45] <Andy> now on slide 7
[00:35:45] <Andy> slide 8
[00:36:38] <Andy> raised point about having to retreive the NRO file because it can change
[00:36:50] <Andy> alex: set of servers that redirect
[00:37:36] <john.levine> who is this?
[00:37:50] <Andy> marcos sanz: against dns solution as it is written down
[00:38:07] <Andy> ms: iana solution, ok already have to syncronize with iana
[00:38:44] <Andy> ms: similar to using SRV in whois like draft written years ago, but for numbers this is not workable
[00:39:32] <Andy> peter koch: who operates rirexample.net on slide 6
[00:39:59] <Andy> mb: file from NRO would be augmented with pointer to RIR. rirexample.net is ex of arin.net, ripe.net, etc
[00:40:22] <Andy> pk: numbers are easy and work well today
[00:41:05] <Andy> pk: different solution for numbers and names
[00:41:59] <bje> no
[00:42:19] <Andy> I said no byron
[00:42:31] <Andy> pk: now discussing slide 6
[00:42:35] <bje> not before I typed :-)  I’m on a slight lag on audio
[00:42:38] <Andy> pk: how to solve co.uk problem
[00:43:12] <Andy> pr: do you think it could answer the co.uk problem
[00:44:08] <Andy> pk: offer rdap information under my domain to exploit search functionality
[00:44:44] <Andy> mb: i was trying to show that
[00:45:33] <Andy> pk: on security, auth or confidentiality or integrity
[00:45:47] <Andy> mb: rephrase as what can be done in terms of security
[00:47:50] <Andy> jl: strong pushback on things req ina
[00:48:49] <Andy> ac.uk q? we might convince nominet and janet to cooperate
[00:49:14] <Andy> wes hardiger: don"t care on solution
[00:49:45] <Andy> just fyi, rev dns q on ip but therte is a solution draft
[00:50:36] <Andy> dog otis: 130 milliion domains seen
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[00:52:24] <Andy> jck: flag something
[00:52:47] <Andy> assertions that are bad such as limited number of reg
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[00:56:02] <Franck Martin> if you don't know the difference between names and numbers, you use google...
[00:57:32] <Andy> ray bellis: redirection to others under .uk than .ac not gonna work
[00:57:51] <Andy> andrew sullivan: everytime you delegate a domain name that is what you are doing
[01:00:05] <Andy> jck: we are making up req for a space in which the people are not here
[01:02:50] <Andy> ning is up
[01:02:58] <Andy> rdap backwards compatibility
[01:03:04] <Andy> title slide
[01:03:21] <Andy> slide 1
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[01:03:57] <Andy> slide 2
[01:05:34] <Andy> slide 3
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[01:11:30] <Andy> slide "authentication"
[01:12:39] <Andy> slide "open questions"
[01:14:21] <Andy> alex: no issue with consistency, becuase the rdap database and whois database are the same
[01:14:39] <Andy> ning: consistency would occur becuase of diff when doing tiered access
[01:15:47] <Andy> kaveh: don't think the wg should look into this
[01:16:34] <Andy> pere k: not everything that ICANN specifies translates into work for us
[01:16:56] <Andy> pk: out of scope
[01:17:09] <Andy> marcos sanz: on "background" slide
[01:17:42] <Andy> marcos sanz: the person who put down "proxy" in your req didn't know what they were talking about
[01:18:08] <Andy> francisco: I wrote the "proxy" and don't think this is for wg
[01:18:32] <Andy> simone on interop
[01:18:35] <Andy> slide 2
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[01:18:43] <Andy> sldie 3
[01:19:39] <Andy> slide 5
[01:19:50] <Andy> slide 6
[01:21:09] <Andy> slide 7
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[01:22:11] <Andy> slide 8
[01:22:18] <Andy> murray: yes
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[01:22:35] <Andy> yoshiruo: how can new people join testing
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[01:22:40] <Andy> simone: send email
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[01:23:04] <Andy> meeting over
[01:23:11] <bje> thanks andy
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[01:23:38] <bje> microphones are still on, for those chatting near microphones
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[01:23:49] <bje> if you want your conversation to be moderately private, move away :-)
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