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[14:30:50] Peter Koch has set the subject to: WEIRDS WG at IETF-86
[14:31:05] <Peter Koch> Olaf started agenda bashing for 2nd slot
[14:31:10] <Peter Koch> how's audio?
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[14:31:51] <Peter Koch> anybody here not prsent in Boca I?
[14:31:55] <Linlin Zhou> very clear
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[14:32:29] <Peter Koch> no slides yet
[14:32:46] <Peter Koch> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/86/agenda/agenda-86-weirds
[14:34:24] <Peter Koch> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/86/slides/slides-86-weirds-0.pdf
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[14:35:13] <Peter Koch> 3rd slide, agenda bashing
[14:35:13] <Peter Koch> andy newton at mike
[14:35:38] <Peter Koch> LACNIC, Aflias and CNNIC participated in implementers demo
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[14:36:57] <Peter Koch> usual protocol, pls add "mic:" if you want anything relayed
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[14:37:42] <Peter Koch> AD Pete Resnick at  mic
[14:38:25] <sm> AD: interop thing as a separate event from the WG session
[14:38:33] <Peter Koch> interop tests scheduled only after WG scheduling done (this for BER/YVR)
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[14:40:08] <Peter Koch> Simon Perreault on test framework (no slides)
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[14:40:26] <resnick> Who is this?
[14:40:40] <sm> Simon Perreault
[14:40:46] <resnick> No, it's not.
[14:40:57] <resnick> Simon is sitting in the corner.
[14:41:09] <Peter Koch> apologies
[14:41:11] <josephyee> Jean Philip
[14:41:18] <josephyee> don't know his last name
[14:41:45] <Peter Koch> now slides, but not uploaded
[14:41:53] <resnick> Jean-Philippe Dionne
[14:42:35] <resnick> That's Simon coming to the mic.
[14:43:17] <Peter Koch> on '\n' vs multiple lines ...
[14:43:24] <Peter Koch> andy newton
[14:44:15] <Peter Koch> olaf
[14:45:12] <Peter Koch> Jean Philip cntd
[14:45:39] <JcK> Andy: fwiw, I agree... "\n" reeks of presentation and is a bad idea
[14:46:44] <Peter Koch> slide on 'content-type'
[14:47:31] <Peter Koch> slide on Error Response
[14:47:51] <Peter Koch> 'Date formats'
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[14:48:06] <Peter Koch> 'Unicode'
[14:48:33] <Peter Koch> 'JSON format'
[14:49:19] <marcos> Re "Unicode": Had the answers been all ASCII, would the lang property not be needed? I don't get the comment on the slide..
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[14:50:21] <Peter Koch> andy at mic
[14:50:22] <marcos> josephyee, not needed
[14:50:27] <JcK> Anyone remote...  If you want a comment to the microphone, please prefix it with "mic:"
[14:50:45] <josephyee> ack
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[14:51:29] <bje> empty date should surely be just left out of the response?
[14:51:29] <Peter Koch> Ray Bellis
[14:51:48] <bje> right, as jean philip just said
[14:51:59] <Peter Koch> Alex Mayrhofr
[14:52:21] <Peter Koch> Tony Hansen
[14:52:42] <Peter Koch> John levine
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[14:53:56] <Peter Koch> Alex
[14:55:05] <Peter Koch> slide 'test plan'
[14:55:27] <Peter Koch> can registries provide test records?
[14:56:12] <Peter Koch> Simon, this time for real
[14:56:24] <Peter Koch> sans slides malheuresement
[14:56:34] <Peter Koch> JCARD WG & WEIRDS
[14:57:37] <Peter Koch> Pete Resnick
[14:57:56] <Peter Koch> JCARD WG never going to meet, to close within 3 months
[14:59:46] <Peter Koch> Peter StAndre, JCARD co chair
[15:00:49] <Peter Koch> up next: Andy Newton
[15:00:55] <Peter Koch> RDAP Serach
[15:01:03] <Peter Koch> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/86/slides/slides-86-weirds-1.pdf
[15:02:02] <Peter Koch> {remote participants, please reassure the wg you suffer from bad weather}
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[15:02:36] <bje> (it has been raining for weeks here in Australia, and in between is hot and humid)
[15:02:38] <Peter Koch> oops,  http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/86/slides/slides-86-weirds-2.pdf
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[15:02:51] <Peter Koch> slide 2, 'lookups vs searches'
[15:03:48] <bje> -2 is security issues, -1 is search
[15:04:02] <Peter Koch> your jabber relay is confused, can't find the right slideset
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[15:05:03] <bje> I blame andy :) I'm familiar enouigh with the issues to not need slides anyway
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[15:05:10] <sm> Not sure where the slides are
[15:05:19] <Scott Hollenbeck> On Andy's laptop
[15:05:52] <Peter Koch> tnx Scott
[15:06:09] <=JeffH> is this relevant here: UNICODE COLLATION ALGORITHM -- Unicode Technical Standard #10  <http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr10/>
[15:06:21] <Peter Koch> John Klensin at mic
[15:06:36] <sm> Jeff, ask and John will comment :-)
[15:06:47] <=JeffH> no kidding :)
[15:07:00] <sm> Seriously, he will likely respond
[15:07:05] <=JeffH> yes
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[15:09:33] <Peter Koch> Alex Mayrhfr
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[15:10:39] <JcK> JeffH: Yes.  But it is one of three kinds of collation/ matching that Andy calmly conflated.  It is the conflation that worries me.
[15:10:40] <Peter Koch> Ed Lewis
[15:10:47] <resnick> This is an engineering tradeoff. You have to decide what problem(s) you're solving.
[15:11:11] <marcos> The tradeoff for UCA is called DUCET
[15:12:27] <Peter Koch> Klensin
[15:12:29] <=JeffH> jck -- understand -- i was referring specifically to the collatino question he was raising
[15:12:45] <Peter Koch> Steve Sheng
[15:13:17] <sm> apps versus DNS ...
[15:13:36] <Peter Koch> protocol vs software spec
[15:13:47] <=JeffH> i.e. it seemed plausible that he isn't aware of TR10
[15:14:34] <=JeffH> aside:  i like the "throw fruit now" slide :)
[15:14:37] <Peter Koch> next up : Scott Hollenbeck
[15:14:57] <Peter Koch> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/86/slides/slides-86-weirds-1.pdf
[15:16:52] <Peter Koch> 'Open Question'
[15:17:42] <Peter Koch> Marc Blanchet
[15:18:13] <Peter Koch> John Klensin
[15:18:43] <Peter Koch> Ning Kong
[15:18:55] <Peter Koch> Andy Newton
[15:20:06] <=JeffH> the mic line grows.....
[15:20:07] <Peter Koch> Marc Blanchet
[15:20:19] <Peter Koch> {sorry, this is Olaf}
[15:20:33] <Peter Koch> Marc now
[15:20:54] <Peter Koch> AlexM
[15:21:33] <Peter Koch> Steve Sheng
[15:22:48] <Peter Koch> Ed Lewis
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[15:24:56] <resnick> Shooting at straw men seems wrong. They make nice neighbors: They're quiet, and they don't smoke.
[15:25:20] <sm> Is it important to decide about such now ...
[15:25:23] <Peter Koch> John levine
[15:25:30] <sm> search
[15:26:57] <Peter Koch> John levine and Steve Sheng volunteered for inventory
[15:27:07] <Peter Koch> John Klensin at mic
[15:27:45] <Peter Koch> Steve Sheng
[15:28:18] <Peter Koch> Joseph Lee
[15:29:09] <Peter Koch> Olaf: no conclusion what to do with the two drafts
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[15:29:45] <Peter Koch> second slot Thu afternoon (// to both WCIT and DNSOP)
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[15:30:19] <Peter Koch> security and i18n work in 2nd slot
[15:30:40] <Peter Koch> paused till Thu
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