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[09:01:00] <George Michaelson_web_148> is anyone emitting sounds?
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[09:01:35] <Peter van Dijk_web_943> Warren is
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[09:01:41] <Peter van Dijk_web_943> and Fred just spoke too
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[09:02:13] <George Michaelson_web_148> hmm. ok. I'll assume its me and go back to local debug then because bupkes here
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[09:02:25] <Peter van Dijk_web_943> Warren is still talking - it's hard to see, of course
[09:02:28] <George Michaelson_web_148> all good
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[09:02:39] <George Michaelson_web_148> (fixed. PBCAK)
[09:02:46] <Peter van Dijk_web_943> great
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[09:03:15] <Jordi Palet Martinez_web_570> is not easier if speakers manage their own slides?
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[09:07:35] <Warren Kumari_web_273> Depends on if they are local and have phone app, etc.
[09:07:36] <Jordi Palet Martinez_web_570> not yet
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[09:07:53] <MichaelRichardson> We see V6OPS Proceedures.  Then it went away.
[09:08:06] <Warren Kumari_web_273> ... apparently that was the wrong set of slides...
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[09:08:21] <Jordi Palet Martinez_web_570> Ron, maybe it was because Warren was sharing, you should try again
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[09:08:53] <Ron Bonica_web_800> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/113/agenda/
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[09:10:42] <Cheng Li_web_769> wow, so happy to see people attend meeting on-site.
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[09:12:35] <Eduard V_web_817> a small echo from the room. Probably, from Warren's mic
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[09:13:09] <Bob Hinden_web_932> Not hearing any echo on my end.
[09:13:22] <Cheng Li_web_769> all good for me
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[09:15:49] <Eduard V_web_817> no echo from the local speaker, only from remote. A small one, not a big problem.
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[09:19:00] <Fred Baker_web_831> Comment to MeetEcho: When I turn on the countdown clock, it blocks the screen display, meaning I can't see the slides. I don't know whether that affects anyone besides me, but it sure doesn't help the chair.
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[09:19:55] <Meetecho> Fred, do you mean a popup, or the clock itself?
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[09:20:03] <Meetecho> If it's the popup, you should be able to dismiss it
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[09:21:21] <Dhruv Dhody_web_173> Thanks Paolo! This is an important document!
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[09:31:58] <George Michaelson_web_699> PLEASE SPEAK NAMES CLEARLY
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[09:38:00] <George Michaelson_web_699> GRUMPY CAT SAYS BAD PEOPLE DONT SAY NAMES CLEARLY GRRR
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[09:40:20] <Ole Trøan_web_195> The Meetecho mike queue matches reasonably well with the physical reality.
[09:40:26] <Ole Trøan_web_195> Ted Lemon talking now.
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[09:40:46] <George Michaelson_web_699> Fine, I'll go with that.
[09:40:56] <George Michaelson_web_699> Frankly, note taking is silly.
[09:41:32] <Ole Trøan_web_195> Yes.
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[09:48:54] <Tim Chown_web_429> we have quite wildly different mic volumes
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[09:49:33] <Jordi Palet Martinez_web_570> yes
[09:49:33] <Tim Chown_web_429> and that one is wildly loud :)
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[09:54:29] <Warren Kumari_web_273> Note that there is a few second latency between my clicking the next slide, and it showing up on the ME screen...
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[09:59:54] <MichaelRichardson> question about teardown rate:  if we have millions of HTTP/1.1 and/or QUIC connections which don't really get torn down, but just hang around because actually the client device disconnected/moved... then the connections will mostly just timeout, right?
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[10:00:04] <MichaelRichardson> is that a different kind of teardown?
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[10:00:36] <MichaelRichardson> could expired connections between torn down as a group, perhaps using a single table lock for thousands of dead connections?
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[10:04:07] <Ole Trøan_web_195> All NAT sessions timeout... even TCP ones (from transitory timeout).
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[10:08:53] <MichaelRichardson> yes, my point is that if there are limits for how fast/many sessions can be dropped, then dropping them at timeout, in groups, might be faster, as it involved fewer locks on the tables.
[10:09:07] <MichaelRichardson> vs, tearing them down on FIN.
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[10:09:23] <Bob Hinden_web_932> The speaker should speak into the microphone
[10:10:01] <Ole Trøan_web_195> Yes, you can't really tear them down on FIN, at least not if you want to be a little nice...In the implementation I work on we garbage collect opportunistically. Without locking.
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[10:14:45] <Warren Kumari_web_273> We can try using the MeetEcho sharing for the next presentation. This should work better.... Apologies for the technical difficulties all.
[10:17:50] <George Michaelson_web_699> No. slides not seen here
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[10:23:49] <Bob Hinden_web_932> Warren:  If you open meeting materials and press reload, you will see all of the slides.  I did that and it worked for me.
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[10:33:58] <Warren Kumari_web_273> Yes, they are now listd here, but not in the "Ask to share" list.
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[10:35:00] <Tim Chown_web_429> centuries!
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[10:35:22] <George Michaelson_web_699> dog years
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[10:44:43] <Jordi Palet Martinez_web_570> Eric, I believe there are some options in Africa, I will contact you by email right now
[10:44:59] <Tim Chown_web_429> do we have a whats changed in the centuries list?
[10:45:16] <Toerless Eckert> Now that everyone in the room has figured out how to get in line virtually, the physical microphone line has vanished.
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[10:48:07] <Éric Vyncke_web_435> @Jordi thank you in advance
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[10:51:25] <Warren Kumari_web_273> Question: If there are still >5 min at end of this presentation, do we take questions on JAMES?
[10:51:56] <Éric Vyncke_web_435> yes please ;-)
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[10:52:37] <Gorry Fairhurst_web_453> I liked the presentation on measuring EH - but I really worry if people draw conclusions from specific measurements. I expect probing methodology and probe / target location can really have an influence on what we conclude. We are also making current measurements with a different method and different vantage point, and likely different conclusions. I think we could really benefit from combining a range of measurements If we wish to use this to inform FUTURE standards  ...
[10:52:49] <Ole Trøan_web_195> Can't this meta-discussion on v6ops procedures be taken to the list?
[10:53:45] <Éric Vyncke_web_435> @Gorry correct of course, the choice of vantage points have a major influence. But, our goal is also to measure the tier-1 / regional tier providers and not all access providers
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[10:57:26] <Gorry Fairhurst_web_453> @eric ...Thanks for the talk... talking is always the start to understanding how things work! So, understanding different approaches and how they relate could be really helpful, thanks for your talk!
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[10:59:12] <Bob Hinden_web_932> bye
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[10:59:18] <George Michaelson_web_699> I pushed "publish" on the notes use them in good health
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