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[09:27:49] <Mikael Abrahamsson> I'll be jabber scribe. Please add "(to mic)" if you want something relayed to mic.
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[09:36:06] Lee has set the subject to: v6ops IETF101 London
[09:36:20] <Mikael Abrahamsson> meetecho, I keep getting "slow feed" and pixelations, and Fred who is now presenting is stating the same problems. Seems like intermittent network problems from the video feeds here?
[09:36:44] <Mikael Abrahamsson> (I am in the room), Fred Templin is remotely participating.
[09:37:12] <meetecho> Mikael Abrahamsson: it looks like it's only happening at a slide change for us, but it recovers quickly here
[09:38:29] <Mikael Abrahamsson> right, it seems I am having wifi issues, which might explain why I am having problems.
[09:39:04] <phessler> lots of echo on the audio
[09:39:44] <meetecho> phessler: the echo cancellation should autoadapt, but we're trying to help with some audio controls from here
[09:39:51] <phessler> ok, thanks
[09:41:32] <meetecho> Mikael Abrahamsson: that may be it, as those "slow feed" warnings are only printed when we detect many losses
[09:44:03] <Mikael Abrahamsson> it's working better now, so it seems it was not a generic problem after all.
[09:44:20] <Mikael Abrahamsson> (I switched SSIDs, which improved things).
[09:45:02] <phessler> thanks for fixing it!
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[09:48:19] <evyncke> 24 USD per IPv4, really? It bumped recently then
[09:48:21] <Mikael Abrahamsson> meetecho, the capture card seems to be glitching for 1-3 seconds, once a minute or something. We get static etc. The main large presenter screen is fine when this happens.
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[09:48:49] <Mikael Abrahamsson> but the left screen + the stream image here both glitch at the same time.
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[09:49:22] <meetecho> Mikael Abrahamsson: yep, the second screen gets the slides from Meetecho, so that's why they experience the same
[09:49:30] <Mikael Abrahamsson> this is the slide presentation view, the other video feed seems fine.
[09:49:34] <Mikael Abrahamsson> right.
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[09:50:02] <Tim Chown> Meetecho - can we fix the video problem on the slides please?
[09:51:23] <meetecho> If the second screen slides are annoying we can disable them
[09:51:31] <meetecho> From here
[09:51:49] <meetecho> When the session ends we'll check if there's something wrong with the capture card
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[09:54:06] <Tim Chown> it's still doing it, randomly, very annoying.  the presenter is looking at that screen too.   note it's just the video window not the whole screen.
[09:54:39] <Tim Chown> ok thanks off now, presenter is looking at big screen :)
[09:54:58] <meetecho> (y)
[09:55:03] <Tim Chown> we just see the pacman window on the other screen now, which is normal.
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[10:01:09] <Lee> Wes just made the point that these slides are not in the online materials, and we're not streamng anymore. Will try to get them posted .
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[10:01:40] <Mikael Abrahamsson> lee, the stream works for me (but I had to reconnect, they stopped working 5 minutes ago, but then worked on reconnect)
[10:02:42] <meetecho> Lee: actually no, we didn't stop streaming the slides, we only stopped displaying the feed on the second screen
[10:02:49] <meetecho> We're still sending them on Meetecho
[10:02:51] <Lee> Oh, gotcha
[10:03:15] <meetecho> We removed them from the 2nd screen as the glitches were distracting in the room
[10:03:33] <Lee> I was having connectivity problems and missed some of the chat here
[10:05:55] <Mikael Abrahamsson> meetecho, an engineer was here in the room and replugged cables, now the picture seems to glitch more.
[10:06:31] <Mikael Abrahamsson> (oh, he's still here)
[10:06:37] <meetecho> Mikael Abrahamsson: we notified the AV team about the issue, so they're looking into it
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[10:22:58] <phessler> question for the mic: how many customers insist they still have users only on IPv4, so they can't go to IPv6-only?
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[10:24:01] <phessler> yes, how many add an expensive IPv4 address
[10:25:47] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Lee Howard at mic
[10:27:37] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Lorenzo Colitti at mic.
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[10:29:03] <meetecho> He's not speaking :)
[10:29:13] <Mikael Abrahamsson> We can't hear any sound.
[10:29:18] <meetecho> We can't hear him in Meetecho either
[10:29:34] <Lee> @Auwal Tata we couldn't hear you
[10:30:15] <meetecho> Auwal Tata: did you make a selftest to check if the mic could be captured?
[10:31:00] <Auwal Tata> Are there any limitations beyond cost to your customers insisting on IPV4
[10:31:21] <Auwal Tata> Yes i did
[10:31:31] <Auwal Tata> and it said successful
[10:32:22] <Lee> Sorry we couldn't get your question. He included his email address at the end of his slides, pete@ex-parrot.com
[10:33:07] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Barbara Stark at mic
[10:33:09] <Lee> btw, we're discussing Requirements for IPv6 Routers <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6rtr-reqs>2018-03-04 , <draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6rtr-reqs>
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[10:33:59] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Lorenzo Colitti at mic.
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[10:40:02] <Lee> Moving on to Using Conditional Router Advertisements for Enterprise Multihoming <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-conditional-ras>2018-02-27, <draft-ietf-v6ops-conditional-ras>
[10:40:17] <Lee> Slides at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/slides-101-v6ops-conditional-router-advertisements-for-enterprise-multihoming-00
[10:43:02] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Tim Chown at imc
[10:43:04] <Mikael Abrahamsson> mic
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[10:45:30] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Lorenzo Colitti at mic
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[10:49:45] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Barbara Stark at mic
[10:50:02] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Juliusz Chrobozchek at mic
[10:51:51] <Lee> We are here: IPv6 Performance Measurement with Alternate Marking Method <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fioccola-v6ops-ipv6-alt-mark>2018-02-26, <draft-fioccola-v6ops-ipv6-alt-mark>
[10:56:12] <jch> Mikael Abrahamsson: you almost got my name right ;-)  For future reference, Chroboczek.
[10:57:32] <Mikael Abrahamsson> jch: Yeah, you stood to far forward so I coudln't read the badge.
[10:57:59] <Mikael Abrahamsson> too far
[10:59:22] <adrianfarrel> far too far
[11:00:57] <jch> Too many consonants, sorry.
[11:01:15] <jch> I'll try to do better next life.
[11:01:32] <Mikael Abrahamsson> blame ancestors?
[11:02:00] <jch> It could be worse, they could have chosen Chrząszcz.
[11:02:40] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Tim Chown at mic.
[11:04:22] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Lee Howard at mic
[11:05:29] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Michael Ackermann at mic
[11:07:18] <Lee> IP Fragmentation Considered Fragile <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bonica-intarea-frag-fragile>2018-03-04, <draft-bonica-intarea-frag-fragile>
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[11:20:26] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Mikael Abrahamsson at mic
[11:20:30] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Wes George at mic
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[11:25:16] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Juliusz Chroboczek at mic
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[11:35:24] <Lee> no hat, mic not necesary: If we get IEEE to increase allowable size, we'll be even more dependent on pMTUd until every device on the Internet is updated. And potentially cause even more fragmentation.
[11:36:07] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Lorenzo Colitti at mic
[11:38:03] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Tatuya Jimmei at mic
[11:39:18] <Lee> NAT64 Deployment Guidelines in Operator and Enterprise Networks <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-palet-v6ops-nat64-deployment>2018-03-05 , <draft-palet-v6ops-nat64-deployment>
[11:43:03] <jch> Is that Jordi Palet presenting?
[11:43:10] <Lee> yes
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[11:43:33] <jch> ty
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[11:45:08] <Lee> IPv6 Point-to-Point Links <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-palet-v6ops-p2p-links>2018-03-05, <draft-palet-v6ops-p2p-links>
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[11:48:56] <jch> URL of survey?
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[11:49:46] <jch> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/96/materials/slides-96-v6ops-3/ ?
[11:50:02] <jch> Or something newer?
[11:50:10] <Lee> Transition Requirements for IPv6 Customer Edge Routers to support IPv4 as a Service <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-palet-v6ops-transition-ipv4aas>2018-03-02, <draft-palet-v6ops-transition-ipv4aas>
[11:51:23] <Lee> Survey: http://survey.consulintel.es/index.php/175122 (I think)
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[11:57:14] <phessler> stub-resolvers on the end-user systems don't care about dnssec, so that is a non-issue.  the few that do care, believe the resolver that is configured.  99% of users will use the supplied resolver from the network.  the 1% broke their network, so they can keep both pieces.
[11:57:27] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Barbara Stark at mic.
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[11:58:40] <jch> NHOL?
[11:59:06] <Mikael Abrahamsson> jch: https://www.iol.unh.edu/about/leadership/timothy-winters
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[11:59:49] <jch> tu
[11:59:52] <jch> *ty
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