IETF
v6ops
v6ops@jabber.ietf.org
Wednesday, March 29, 2017< ^ >
joel jaeggli has set the subject to: v6OPS IETF 97 Monday afternoon
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[18:03:06] <Bernie Volz> Agenda bashing ...
[18:03:48] <Lee> Remote audio okay?
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[18:04:08] <morrowc> morrowc: taking jabber notesz for v6ops
[18:04:16] <Lee> thanksz
[18:04:30] <morrowc> Fred talking about getting your drafts in in a timely fashion.
[18:05:05] <morrowc> ...discussion about charter starting
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[18:06:02] <morrowc> note. fred is never wrong
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[18:12:22] <morrowc> humming for fred's worddoc work...
[18:12:29] <morrowc> tim chown at the mic
[18:12:34] <morrowc> joel jaeggli at mic
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[18:14:10] <morrowc> hum for 'v6 only operations'
[18:14:25] <morrowc> 'terrible idea hum' - being refocused
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[18:14:58] <morrowc> tim chown at mic
[18:15:11] <morrowc> Fernando gont next at mic
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[18:15:49] <morrowc> sorry, not fernando - jodi pallet actually.
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[18:16:10] <morrowc> eric kline at mic
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[18:18:24] <morrowc> bikeshedding at the mic
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[18:19:15] <morrowc> jjmb @ mic
[18:19:20] <morrowc> (john # comcast)
[18:19:33] <morrowc> James woodyatt at mic
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[18:20:05] <morrowc> mark townsley @ mic
[18:20:38] <morrowc> (more wordsmithing)
no support (says fred) for marketting foo
[18:21:13] <morrowc> john browzowski - presenting draft-ali-ipv6rtr-reqs-02
[18:21:29] <morrowc> slide 2 - purpose
[18:22:37] <morrowc> slide 3 organization (1)
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[18:23:33] <morrowc> slide 4 organization (2)
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[18:24:49] <morrowc> slide 5 organization (4)
[18:24:53] <morrowc> slide 6 next stops
[18:25:17] <morrowc> end of john
[18:25:38] <morrowc> at mic - tim chown
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[18:26:33] <morrowc> fred with question
[18:27:30] <morrowc> tim <missed> - clarifying question at mic
[18:27:48] <morrowc> tim wijintes (speling)
[18:28:13] <morrowc> chown back again at mic
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[18:29:52] <morrowc> tim wijintes - at mic
[18:30:14] <morrowc> ron bonica @ mic
[18:32:26] <morrowc> james woodyatt @ mic
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[18:36:28] <morrowc> fred - quick request about empty chais.
[18:36:57] <morrowc> comments on draft - send to list PLEASE (include text, to help authors get to solutions faster)
[18:37:05] <morrowc> dave thaler @ mi
[18:37:07] <morrowc> mic
[18:38:16] <morrowc> hum for directional support
[18:38:22] <morrowc> hum for no .. no hums
[18:38:28] <Dave Thaler> yes I meant 7084 (which obsoleted 6204 :)
[18:38:54] <morrowc> jordi palet - slides - basic requirements for cpe edge devices.
[18:38:57] <morrowc> slide 2
[18:39:01] <morrowc> (market realityP
[18:39:35] <morrowc> 'draft-palet-rfc7084-bis' slide deck, fyi
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[18:40:31] <morrowc> slide 3 - ipv4 reality
[18:42:04] <morrowc> slide 4 - code reality
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[18:45:22] <morrowc> slide 5 - scenarios
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[18:48:10] <morrowc> slide 6 - wait a minute...
[18:49:45] <morrowc> slide 7 - one or several documents.
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[18:52:10] <morrowc> slide 8 - one or several documents (2)
[18:53:10] <morrowc> slide 9 changes vs rfc7084
[18:53:59] <morrowc> slide 10 open questions
[18:54:42] <morrowc> barbara stark @ mic
[18:55:33] <morrowc> slide 11 next-steps 91)
[18:55:35] <morrowc> (1)
[18:56:15] <morrowc> slide 12 next stops (2)
[18:56:23] <morrowc> at mic mukon takom
[18:56:56] <morrowc> 'mukom takmon'
[18:57:44] <Fernando Gont> If it is "on" but unused, that still increases the attack surface
[18:57:51] <morrowc> hans liu @ mic
[18:58:49] <morrowc> need this said at mic fernando?
[18:59:51] <Fernando Gont> I would. Can try to do it myself with meetecho (never did). SHould I try?
[19:00:15] <Meetecho> Fernando Gont: why not :)
[19:00:16] <morrowc> ys, try the meetecho way.
[19:00:17] <morrowc> :)
[19:00:21] <Lee> I will watch for you at the virtual mike line
[19:00:23] <Fernando Gont> (I guess it is the "raise hand" think?)
[19:00:24] <Meetecho> only the brave!
[19:00:28] <Fernando Gont> thing
[19:00:29] <Meetecho> Fernando Gont: yes
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[19:01:00] <morrowc> lee sees your hand up , go!
[19:01:06] <morrowc> sounds good
[19:01:22] <Lee> meetecho, getting buzzing audio from Fernando
[19:01:40] <morrowc> pot down probably
[19:01:41] <Lee> IOr maybe you already fixed it
[19:01:53] <morrowc> erik kline at mic
[19:02:07] <Meetecho> Do you mean in the room, or Meetecho?
[19:02:14] <Meetecho> it looks fine in our monitors
[19:02:17] <Meetecho> *sounds
[19:02:24] <Fernando Gont> What do you mean by "buzzing"? Just want to get stuff fixed (if needed) for my preso
[19:02:24] <Lee> It was the remote speaker who was causing buzzing in room
[19:02:29] <morrowc> sounded a bit buzzy in room
[19:02:34] <Lee> He will be presenting in a few minutes
[19:02:39] <Meetecho> in room = in Zurich A?
[19:02:46] <morrowc> yes
[19:02:53] <Lee> Also, his face is still on screen. How do we make him go away :-)
[19:03:06] <jch> Who's the guy with the blue jumper currently at mic?
[19:03:10] <morrowc> fernando, you may want to mute your mic now too.
[19:03:16] <Meetecho> the chairs can remove him with the big red button
[19:03:16] <Nathalie Trenaman> Worked fine remotely
[19:03:17] <Dave Thaler> Erik Kline
[19:03:17] <morrowc> that's erik kline
[19:03:20] <jch> ty
[19:03:24] <becarpenter> meetecho, I think he was just too close to his mic
[19:03:28] <Fernando Gont> And turned off my camera, too :-)
[19:03:38] <morrowc> :)
[19:03:40] <Lee> Thanks, meetecho!  
[19:03:41] <Fernando Gont> Thanks -- new to this remote presentation thing.. :-)
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[19:03:46] <Meetecho> Fernando Gont: if you're done for now you can simply use the hand icon again to release the floor
[19:03:57] <Meetecho> and raise it again should you want to speak later
[19:04:07] <Fernando Gont> Thanks meetecho ;-)
[19:04:11] <morrowc> james woodyatt at mic
[19:04:14] <Meetecho> glad to help!
[19:04:33] <Pierre PFISTER> +1000 to Eric !
[19:05:49] <morrowc> jen linkova @ mic
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[19:06:54] <morrowc> ole traon @ mic
[19:07:03] <morrowc> troan
[19:07:22] <morrowc> ian faber @ mic
[19:07:45] <Dave Thaler> Farrer
[19:07:51] <jch> (Troan frightens me when he takes this tone ;-)
[19:08:04] <morrowc> oh thanks! farrer ... small badge writing
[19:08:35] <morrowc> wg draft hum
[19:08:48] <morrowc> no draft hum - no hum
[19:08:59] <Lee> Pretty melodious hum, too
[19:09:14] <morrowc> fernando at mic (virtual)
[19:09:19] <morrowc> blinky is headed to the mic
[19:09:26] <morrowc> yes can hear you
[19:09:50] <morrowc> - slide 0 dynamic/automatic config of v6 hosts
[19:09:58] <morrowc> fernando - you may want to turn down mic gain
[19:10:05] <morrowc> slide 1 - problem statement
[19:11:05] <becarpenter> fernando, you could talk a bit more quietly maybe? =-O
[19:11:10] <morrowc> slide 2 - problem statement (2)
[19:11:59] <morrowc> slide 3 what's in the current specs
[19:12:35] <morrowc> slide 4 what out I-D does
[19:12:52] <Azael Fernández> On slide 2: "NOT rely on IPv4" not "NOT rely on IPv6"
[19:13:03] <morrowc> meetecho - the room buzz is PROBABLY fernando's mic gain too high?
[19:13:16] <morrowc> azael - that was fernando's comment, yes.
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[19:13:35] <Meetecho> morrowc: I think so; I can try to decrease the output from our laptop and see if it's better
[19:13:45] <morrowc> ok.
[19:13:58] <morrowc> Meetecho: "ok" that might be a good thing to try
[19:14:00] <morrowc> that's better.
[19:14:06] <Meetecho> (y)
[19:14:07] <morrowc> slide 5 comments?
[19:14:13] <morrowc> timchown @ mic
[19:14:22] <Meetecho> let me know if this too low for others, though
[19:14:25] <morrowc> k, thnx
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[19:15:23] <morrowc> tim winters - @ mic
[19:15:36] <morrowc> (whom I've called wijnters' .. all meeting, doh!)
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[19:16:44] <morrowc> dave thaler @ mic
[19:17:53] <morrowc> jon brozowski @ mic
[19:18:25] <Dave Thaler> RFC 7084 quote: "   WAA-4:   The IPv6 CE router MUST be able to support the following
            DHCPv6 options: Identity Association for Non-temporary
            Address (IA_NA), Reconfigure Accept [RFC3315], and
            DNS_SERVERS [RFC3646].  The IPv6 CE router SHOULD be able to
            support the DNS Search List (DNSSL) option as specified in
            [RFC3646]."
[19:18:42] <Dave Thaler> the DNS_SERVERS point is the MUST I was referring to at the nic
[19:18:46] <morrowc> james woodyatt @ mic
[19:20:19] <morrowc> lots of off-mic squabling
[19:20:22] <morrowc> jen linkova @ mic
[19:22:16] <morrowc> lorenzo colliti injecting in mic
[19:22:20] <morrowc> julius chobrochek @ mic
[19:22:40] <Dave Thaler> the point is existing hosts that are compliant to RFCs do different things, and there are routers that are not compliant with existing RFCs like 7084.  ( You can indeed try to change hosts, but you won't change way-old hosts.)
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[19:22:48] <morrowc> lorenzo colitti @ mic
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[19:24:07] <morrowc> fernando - your words are braking up.
[19:24:15] <morrowc> maybe kill your video ?
[19:24:19] <Azael Fernández> problems with Fernando audio
[19:24:30] <morrowc> yes.
[19:24:56] <morrowc> lee howard @ mic
[19:25:06] <morrowc> fernando exited
[19:25:09] <Fernando Gont> apparently fixed
[19:25:11] <becarpenter> fernando: you vanished
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[19:25:57] <morrowc> blnky trying to get to room mic
[19:26:11] <morrowc> fernando back
[19:26:23] <morrowc> junmei tatuya
[19:26:27] <morrowc> @ mic (sorry)
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[19:27:01] <morrowc> dave thaler @ mic
[19:28:53] <morrowc> john browzowski @ mic
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[19:29:50] <Dave Thaler> And John can do that because their building can constrain hosts to only be specific new ones
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[19:30:20] <Dave Thaler> it's not an arbitrary network, but it's one valid use case (and a good one)
[19:31:01] <morrowc> fred back from the front
[19:31:12] <morrowc> calling for  wg adoption or sping irst
[19:31:16] <morrowc> hum for adopt ..
[19:31:20] <morrowc> no hium
[19:31:23] <morrowc> tim chown at mic
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[19:32:49] <morrowc> slides from david schinazi - slides for:An update to happy eyeballs
[19:32:53] <Dave Thaler> Ralph Droms and Thomas Narten gave a good summary in an intarea meeting some years ago about the reasons some people want DHCPv6 and some other people want RA for the same things, and both were valid reasons, at least at the time.
[19:33:03] <morrowc> slide 0 title slide
[19:33:26] <morrowc> slide 2 - agenda
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[19:33:39] <jch> Dave Thaler, was that written down?  Do you have a reference?
[19:34:35] <morrowc> slides 2, 3, 4 were quick!
[19:34:37] <morrowc> slide 5
[19:34:45] <morrowc> slide 6 hostname/async dns
[19:35:06] <morrowc> slide 8 'do not wait on all dns back' jam with what you can
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[19:35:32] <morrowc> slide 9 - more hostname reoslution
[19:35:45] <morrowc> "dns times out 'very very often'"
[19:36:09] <morrowc> slide 10 - measurements
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[19:36:44] <morrowc> nore retrans in the graph.
[19:37:03] <morrowc> slide 11 - more measurements.
[19:37:18] <morrowc> slide 12 underlying transport for dns
[19:37:56] <morrowc> slide 13 sorting  of addressingz
[19:38:46] <morrowc> slide 14 sorting addresses (more)
[19:39:07] <morrowc> slide 15 - connection attempts
[19:40:02] <morrowc> slide 16 - more connection attempts
[19:40:17] <morrowc> slide 17 - dns updates
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[19:41:05] <morrowc> slide 18 next steps
[19:41:18] <morrowc> mic questions abound
[19:41:28] <morrowc> jen linkova at mic
[19:43:15] <morrowc> geoff huston at mic
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[19:45:16] <morrowc> chairs comment - fred
[19:45:21] <Fernando Gont> I think this is getting into tcpm's area.
[19:45:24] <Fernando Gont> SHould CC tcpm
[19:45:38] <morrowc> junmei tatuya @ mic
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[19:46:36] <morrowc> lorenzo colitti @ mic
[19:48:02] <morrowc> david @ front ; insert ...windows burn...
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[19:50:35] <morrowc> tommy pauly @ mic
[19:51:48] <morrowc> john browzowski @ mic
[19:53:20] <morrowc> jordi palet @ mic
[19:55:00] <morrowc> james woodyatt @ mic
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[19:56:43] <morrowc> dave thaler @ mic
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[19:59:54] <morrowc> igor gashinsky @ mic
[20:00:41] <morrowc> igor lubashev @ mic
[20:01:14] Francis Dupont leaves the room: Computer went to sleep
[20:01:40] <Fernando Gont> (Hand raised.. where in the line Am I?)
[20:01:49] <morrowc> eric nygren @ mic
[20:01:57] <morrowc> fernando - OI think there's on more time.
[20:02:02] <morrowc> but...
[20:02:03] <morrowc> lee?
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[20:02:28] <Lee> Yes, I see him, and just told Fred not to dismiss everyone until Fernando gets to talk
[20:02:32] <morrowc> k
[20:02:45] <Fernando Gont> (Hand raised minutes ago.. but not sure how line is managed)
[20:02:51] <jch> Not for mic: I'm not entirely comfortable with this being on the Standard Track.
[20:02:55] <Fernando Gont> (thanks lee!)
[20:03:40] <morrowc> fernando from the dark-room @ v-mic
[20:04:01] <morrowc> all done now... bye every peron
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[20:04:17] <Azael Fernández> thank you
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[20:04:33] <Fernando Gont> Thanks to all. Frt tmie I was relying on meetch and you guys for emote experience -- a nice one!
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[20:04:53] <Nathalie Trenaman> That worked very well!
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