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joel jaeggli has set the subject to: IETF 94 V6OPS Monday Afternoon
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[17:03:32] <Nathalie Trenaman> sound remote is fine
[17:03:33] <Ole Trøan> Is this not IETF95
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[17:03:34] <Mikael Abrahamsson> My plan is not to call out each slide, is that ok with everybody?
[17:03:38] <Lee Howard> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/95/materials.html
[17:03:41] <Daniele Iamartino> The Internet can hear you loud and clear
[17:04:20] <Ole Trøan> I'm doing minutes. If anyone wants to help out, please come to: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/v6ops/minutes
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[17:09:41] <Alejandro Acosta> Gont talking
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[17:09:58] <Lee Howard> Apologies, the Chairs did not receive these slides before hte meeting, so they have not been posted. I will continue looking and try to post them in a few minutes.
[17:10:33] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: Operational Implications (I)
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[17:11:30] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: Operational Implications (III)
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[17:13:00] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: Possible Action Plan
[17:15:18] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: Moving Forward
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[17:15:47] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Erik Vyncke
[17:16:52] <Meetecho> FYI for chairs: there's someone in the virtual queue
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[17:17:06] <Meetecho> you can unmute him with the "big red button" on your desk
[17:17:15] <Lee Howard> ack, thank you
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[17:17:55] <Mark Smith> Let me know what I need to do if anything :-)
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[17:18:12] <Lee Howard> Now I know where to look on the meetecho screen.
[17:18:13] <Mark Smith> Never done this before, I'm glad I'm presenting second.
[17:18:23] <Lee Howard> Is Fred audible remotely?
[17:18:35] <Nathalie Trenaman> yes
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[17:18:43] <Mark Smith> Yes, I'm seeing everything.
[17:18:48] <Azael Fernandez> Yes
[17:18:54] <Mark Smith> (and hearing everything)
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[17:19:17] <Gregorio Manzano_7908> clearl perfect here in Caracas
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[17:20:30] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Mark Townsley at mic.
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[17:21:35] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Joel Jaeggli at mic
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[17:21:52] <Lee Howard> yes, I still have Mark Smith in virtual queue
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[17:23:03] <Ole Trøan> Who is that?
[17:23:10] <Alejandro Acosta> Mark Smith remotely
[17:23:11] <Lee Howard> Mark Smith
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[17:23:27] <Ole Trøan> Can someone repeat the question for the minutes?
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[17:23:39] <Jason Fesler> Can hear him *loud* on meetecho - he's now saturing the mic.  
[17:23:59] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Joel Jaeggli again
[17:24:35] <Mark Smith> Yes, that's it.
[17:24:51] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Mark Townsley again
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[17:25:56] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Joel Jaeggli again.
[17:25:57] <Mark Smith> Wasn't really a question, just an observation that this sort of stalemate can be a sign that you're not using the right tool for the job i.e., are EHs the only way to solve the problems people are trying to solve.
[17:26:35] <Ole Trøan> Mark: Mind restate what you would like to get in the minutes?
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[17:27:09] <Mark Smith> Ole: Question is, are E.H.s the right tool for these problems people are solving.
[17:27:18] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Bob Hinden at mic
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[17:28:18] <Ole Trøan> Mark: Thanks, can you also formulate the imagination is limited sentence too?
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[17:29:07] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Tim Chown at mic
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[17:30:40] <Mark Smith> Ole: I think Joel was saying that people may be limiting their imaginations to EHs to solve these problems.
[17:30:48] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Erik Vyncke at mic
[17:31:13] <Mark Smith> Ole: What was also my point.
[17:31:30] <Lee Howard> ANyone else have comments?
[17:31:54] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Michael Ackerman at mic
[17:32:24] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Ackermann sorry
[17:32:35] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Mark Townsley at mic
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[17:34:31] <jch> Fred, please speak closer to the mike.
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[17:35:08] <Lee Howard> What he said was that we don't have consensus yet, so what would we like to see at the mic.
[17:35:15] <Mikael Abrahamsson> jch: is that better?
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[17:35:24] <Lee Howard> sorry, what guidance could we give the authors to do with this document?
[17:35:29] <Markus Stenberg> worked fine for me even before
[17:35:34] <jch> Still difficult, but thanks.
[17:35:41] <Markus Stenberg> of course, I am sitting in a quiet cave with hifi speaker setup :-p
[17:35:47] <Mark Smith> I'm hearing everybody fine.
[17:36:02] <Ole Trøan> Then you're better off than us in the room. ;-)
[17:36:20] <Markus Stenberg> shortage of nice beef here though, sadly
[17:37:18] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Mark Townsley at mic
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[17:38:02] <Mark Smith> Everybody in the room should put their headphones on an join the meetecho session :-)
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[17:40:13] <Jan Zorz> to me this looks more like a Best Current Operational Practice document
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[17:42:36] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Ole Tröan again.
[17:43:15] <jch> (Giggle)
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[17:44:07] Alejandro Acosta has set the subject to: IETF 95 V6OPS Monday Afternoon
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[17:48:05] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Mark Townsley at mic
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[17:50:03] <Mikael Abrahamsson> meetecho, there is sometimes feedback on the sound, is there anything that can be done about that?
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[17:50:20] <Mark Smith> Can you hear me
[17:50:24] <Lee Howard> No
[17:50:25] <Mark Smith> I'm still here,
[17:50:36] <Ole Trøan> We cannot
[17:50:42] <Ole Trøan> Are you in meetecho?
[17:50:42] <Mikael Abrahamsson> mark, you might have to go back in the line?
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[17:50:58] <Ole Trøan> meetecho ping?
[17:51:00] <Mikael Abrahamsson> mark, ask to speak, then they can unmute you
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[17:51:21] <Ole Trøan> Mark, You are now after the LACNIC presentation
[17:51:22] <Mark Smith> how do I ask?
[17:51:29] <Mark Smith> ok
[17:51:37] <Ole Trøan> Meetecho: Can you help Mark?
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[17:51:42] <Mikael Abrahamsson> mark, what did you do before? You ended up being in the remote participation queue, asking to speak
[17:51:49] <Nathalie Trenaman> audio just went really, really bad here
[17:51:56] <Alejandro Acosta> Guillermo going to present (Lacnic)
[17:52:02] <Mikael Abrahamsson> mark, I saw your name on the meetecho screen here in the room as a pacman ghost
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[17:52:18] <Ole Trøan> First name of presenter?
[17:52:31] <Lee Howard> Guillermo
[17:52:31] <Alejandro Acosta> Guillermo Cicileo
[17:52:32] <Mark Smith> I put my hand up above. I didn't realise I'd need to do that. I'll do that after this. There seems to be an audio problem, others in meetecho can here me it seems.
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[17:52:38] <Mark Smith> *hear
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[17:52:52] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: IPv6 in LAC
[17:52:55] <Ole Trøan> Alejandro: Thanks
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[17:53:03] <Mikael Abrahamsson> mark, yes, put your hand up and they should be able to unmute you after this presentation
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[17:53:11] <Mark Smith> ok, no worries.
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[17:53:26] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: Main content
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[17:54:57] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: Key IPv6 Deployment Progress
[17:55:02] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: ICAv6
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[17:56:30] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: Basic partial indicators
[17:57:32] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: Indicador Clave de Avance (Key IPv6 Progress Indicator)
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[17:58:40] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: Lacnic ICAv6 (chart)
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[17:58:59] <Ole Trøan> Tim Chown, Fernando G, et al: I'd be happy to discuss this document further (over beer), if you think it would be useful.
[17:59:54] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: NONAME --> Result Matrix
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[18:01:50] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: Face to face interviews
[18:02:13] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: COMTECO - Bolivia
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[18:02:58] <Rubem Vasconcelos> hello people!
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[18:04:38] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: COMTECO - Bolivia (traffico)
[18:04:38] <Lee Howard> Hello.  We're in the middle of the report on deployment of IPv6 in Latin America. https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/95/slides/slides-95-v6ops-1.pdf
[18:04:52] <fgont> Ole: Wasn't in jabber, but got your note relayed
[18:04:58] <fgont> Yes, game to meet
[18:05:25] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: Telefonica - Peru
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[18:05:46] <jch> What does HFC stand for?
[18:05:54] <Alejandro Acosta> additional to the presentation the report can be found in English at: http://portalipv6.lacnic.net/wp-content/caf-lacnic/CAF-LACNIC-IPv6-Deployment-Social-Economic-Development-in-LAC.pdf
[18:05:57] <Mikael Abrahamsson> jch: Hybrid Fiber Coax, ie DOCSIS
[18:06:00] <Alejandro Acosta> Hibrid Fiber Coax
[18:06:02] <jch> ty
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[18:07:02] <Ole Trøan> Fernando et al:  let's find a suitable time for a bar bof. given the late dinners, it mgiht be better with breakfast though
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[18:07:30] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: Telefonica - Peru (traffic)
[18:08:22] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: CNT - Corporacion Nacional de Telecomunicaciones - Ecuador
[18:08:57] <Alejandro Acosta> Slide: CNT - Ecuador
[18:09:45] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: Brazil
[18:11:04] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: Brazil (traffic)
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[18:12:20] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: Main study findings: transition
[18:12:36] <Alejandro Acosta> (some slides skipped)
[18:12:57] <Alejandro Acosta> current slide: Main study findings: transition
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[18:13:25] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: Main study findings: Roadblocks
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[18:14:54] <Aastha Gupta> Whats a BSS software
[18:15:00] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: Panel de Control
[18:15:09] <Lee Howard> Billing Support System
[18:15:24] <Aastha Gupta> okay..thanks
[18:15:48] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: Thanks
[18:15:56] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Barbara Stark at mic
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[18:17:36] <Ole Trøan> Who?
[18:17:38] <Lee Howard> Tim Winters at the mic
[18:17:42] <Lee Howard> UNH-IOL
[18:17:49] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Lee, thanks.
[18:17:50] <Rui Paulo> slides?
[18:18:02] <Mikael Abrahamsson> rui, we're still discussing the last presentation my LACNIC
[18:18:08] <Mikael Abrahamsson> by
[18:18:14] <Rui Paulo> oh, sorry.
[18:18:24] <Ole Trøan> Mark you are up1
[18:18:26] <Ole Trøan> up!
[18:18:27] <Mark Smith> Ok, hand is up
[18:18:39] <Lee Howard> mark, say somethng
[18:18:45] <Jason Fesler> Audio is loud on meetecho
[18:18:46] <Mark Smith> I'm speaking
[18:18:50] <craigt> loud and clear online
[18:18:53] <Jason Fesler> Any louder and you'll saturate
[18:18:53] <Mikael Abrahamsson> ok, audio is very low in the room
[18:18:56] <Markus Stenberg> meetcho works but non-meetcho clearly not? ;)
[18:19:03] <Markus Stenberg> again meetcho for the win
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[18:19:05] <Nathalie Trenaman> this works remote :-)
[18:19:06] <Mikael Abrahamsson> meetecho, low volume in room from remote participator, but loud online
[18:19:09] <Ole Trøan> not yet, working on it
[18:19:26] <Alejandro Acosta> the audio in the room is very low.., asking for assitance
[18:19:28] <Meetecho> got it, we'll look at the mixer
[18:19:31] <Ole Trøan> Just give us the conclusion when you are done remotely then. ;-)
[18:19:47] <Meetecho> for the high volume in meetecho, that's the volume Mark is capturing
[18:20:28] <Jason Fesler> Okay, this looks like some serious engineering.
[18:20:36] <Nathalie Trenaman> bwehehe
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[18:20:58] <Azael Fernandez> clear
[18:21:08] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: Problem
[18:21:36] <Ole Trøan> clipping here, turn down gain locally?
[18:21:41] <Azael Fernandez> audio saturated
[18:22:07] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: Solicited Node Multicast Group Mitigation
[18:22:10] <jch> Perhaps he could make his intervention over Jabber?
[18:22:18] <Meetecho> Mark: can you try rejoining? it looks like your audio is garbled now
[18:22:48] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: Absence of SNMG
[18:23:04] <Lee Howard> It sounds like remote participants are getting the best experience.
[18:23:09] <Meetecho> as an alternative, try disabling your video to see if it helps improving things
[18:23:25] <Isha Pinani> snmg??
[18:23:33] <Ole Trøan> solicited node multicast group
[18:23:35] <Mark Smith> solicited node multicast group
[18:23:45] <Ole Trøan> audio much better
[18:23:47] <Isha Pinani> ok
[18:23:48] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: Method
[18:23:50] <Meetecho> audio seems better now
[18:23:58] <Azael Fernandez> better audio
[18:23:58] <Alejandro Acosta> much better in the room with no video
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[18:24:23] <Meetecho> yep, maybe he didn't have enough uplink for both
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[18:24:35] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: MLD reliablity
[18:24:39] <Ole Trøan> Let's blame the operator!
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[18:25:03] <Alejandro Acosta> ipv4
[18:25:16] <Ole Trøan> Perhaps he is using extension headers?
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[18:26:06] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: Survey of MLD for SNMGs
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[18:26:28] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: Limitations
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[18:27:38] <Isha Pinani> what is stable opaque iids
[18:27:50] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: so certainly not perfect
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[18:28:09] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: Next Steps
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[18:29:15] <Alejandro Acosta> slide: Some other thoughts
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[18:30:05] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Erik Vyncke at mic
[18:31:12] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Dave Thaler at mic
[18:31:37] <Mikael Abrahamsson> mark, it's basically impossible to hear what you're saying here in the room, so I would suggest discussion on the list or something
[18:31:44] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Ole Tröan at mic
[18:32:21] <Mikael Abrahamsson> SAVI WG
[18:32:44] <Dave Thaler> the slides were very clear (except I got lost on the last one) so that helped compensate for the variable quality audio
[18:33:04] <Mark Smith> Thanks all for comments and thoughts.
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[18:33:58] <Mark Smith> Dave, last slide was just some other thoughts on how to exploit information that MLDv1 or MLDv2 are providing about hosts.
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