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[01:36:58] <tomtaylor> Guillaume and Arturo, why do your devices show up with your sign-on?
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[01:37:26] <tomtaylor> Does mine show up too, just not on the log as I see it?
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[01:40:32] <Guillaume Leclanche> http://www6.ietf.org/jabber/logs/v6ops/2013-11-05.html
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[01:41:31] <Lorenzo Miniero> Agenda available here: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/88/agenda/agenda-88-v6ops
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[01:42:03] joel jaeggli has set the subject to: V6OPS IETF 88
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[01:42:42] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: Teredo @ Microsoft Present and Future
[01:42:45] <Dan York> I'll be jabber-scribing
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[01:42:50] <Lorenzo Miniero> Current presenter: Christopher Palmer
[01:42:51] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: Teredo @ Microsoft Present and Future
[01:42:54] <Ole Troan> but Meetecho not up yet?
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[01:43:05] <Ole Troan> ah there we go
[01:43:07] <Dan York> Christopher Palmer of Microsoft speaking
[01:43:09] <Lorenzo Miniero> just FYI, a Meetecho room is available for this session: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf88/v6ops
[01:43:14] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: Overview
[01:43:16] <mcharlesr> (the projector here is crap... we all need meetecho now...)
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[01:43:24] <Lorenzo Miniero> :D
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[01:44:03] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: Teredo – Servers and Relays
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[01:45:18] <Dan York> For those remote, Warren Kumari just gave Christopher a very powerful laser pointer
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[01:45:47] <Dan York> Agenda for v6Ops at: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/v6ops/agenda?item=agenda-88-v6ops.html
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[01:46:01] <Lee Howard 2> Bright green, and the slides are showing as very pink, so the contract is amazing
[01:46:03] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: Teredo – Two Sides of the Coin
[01:46:08] <John Jason Brzozowski> chris palmer, microsoft
[01:46:12] <Lee Howard 2> lost video display momentarily, but it's back now
[01:46:25] <Dan York> Slides we're seeing: http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/88/slides/slides-88-v6ops-0.pdf
[01:46:32] <John Jason Brzozowski> we are not presenting from a windows laptop :O
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[01:48:03] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: The Teredo Service
[01:48:05] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: Worldwide Teredo Server Traffic (Monthly
[01:48:15] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: The Overall Value of Teredo
[01:48:38] <Doug Montgomery> DIY: How to Modify a Green Laser Pointer into a Burning Laser
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQWx-7lH8ec
[01:49:23] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 8: Proposed Sunset Plan
[01:50:25] <Dan York> If you want any questions relayed, please preface your comments with "mic:".
[01:50:45] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 9: Xbox One and Teredo
[01:51:01] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 10: Xbox One and Teredo
[01:51:18] <Dan York> To be more clear... if you are REMOTE and want any questions relayed, please preface your comments with "mic:".  If you are in the room and just lazy, you can go to the mic yourself. :-)
[01:51:41] <Lorenzo Miniero> there goes my perfect plan! ;)
[01:51:48] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 11: Quickly… Going to review Xbox One beha
[01:51:50] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 12: IPv6 Networks: IPsec and Transparent Ope
[01:53:13] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 13: Sometimes Teredo is more reliable for P2
[01:53:42] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 14: IPv4 Networks: Allow Teredo
[01:55:00] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 15: IPv4 Networks: Be Mindful of Hairpinning
[01:55:21] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 16: Packet Format and Native IPv4
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[01:56:43] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 17: • More detailed documentation aligned
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[01:57:55] <Arturo Servin Meetcho> The evil ISP. :)
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[01:59:02] <Franck Martin> which document was just cited?
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[01:59:22] <Lee Howard 2> rfc6204
[01:59:26] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 16: Packet Format and Native IPv4
[01:59:50] <mcharlesr> "Teredo" counts as V6 traffic!
[01:59:51] <Dan York> Cameron Byrne at mic
[02:00:58] <Dave Thaler> @mcharlesr: depends on how you count it.  If exchange point monitoring count it as IPv4 because of the outer header, then it doesn't.  So it depends on the counting method.
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[02:06:04] <Dan York> Eric Vyncke now to speak
[02:06:10] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: Balanced Security for IPv6 CPE
[02:06:15] <Dan York> Slides: http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/88/slides/slides-88-v6ops-3.pdf
[02:06:16] <Lorenzo Miniero> Current presenter: Eric Vyncke
[02:06:17] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: Balanced Security for IPv6 CPE
[02:06:39] <Dan York> Draft: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-balanced-ipv6-security
[02:07:03] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: Status
[02:07:05] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: Problem    
 Statement    
  Which    
 sec
[02:07:44] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: Balanced    
 Security    
 ?    
 
[02:08:18] <mcharlesr> I said 6204 simple security, but really 6204 references 6092 simple security.
[02:08:52] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: Balanced    
 Security?    
 
[02:08:55] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: Changes    
 in    
 -­‐00     
 
[02:11:25] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: Next    
 Steps?    
 
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[02:13:07] <Dan York> Fred Backer at the mic
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[02:15:03] <Lorenzo Miniero> Presentation stopped
[02:15:20] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: NAT64 Operational Experiences
[02:15:46] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: Comments from IETF#86
[02:15:48] <Dan York> Slides: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-experience-04
[02:16:02] <Dan York> Er... that was the draft
[02:16:04] <Dan York> Slides: http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/88/slides/slides-88-v6ops-4.pdf
[02:16:31] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: Updates (1/2)
[02:17:07] <Franck Martin> what is a ULA?
[02:17:27] <Lee Howard 2> Unique Local Addressing
[02:17:44] <Arturo Servin Meetcho> RFC4193
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[02:18:35] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: Updates(2/2)
[02:18:56] <Guillaume Leclanche> ps aux
[02:19:06] <internetplumber> ps -ef
[02:19:07] <Dan York> Franck - ULAs are addresses used inside a local network that are not globally routable.
[02:19:09] <Lee Howard 2> top
[02:19:12] <Guillaume Leclanche> :)
[02:19:19] <Dan York> Guillaume Leclanche: wrong window, perhaps?
[02:19:50] <Guillaume Leclanche> how did you guess ... ? it's late :)
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[02:20:14] <Dan York> Now... it would be entertaining if we had a jabber-bot here that actually did something with commands like that.
[02:20:15] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: New Comments
[02:20:41] <Lorenzo Miniero> like telling: "wrong window?" :)
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[02:21:48] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: Next Step
[02:22:17] <Dan York> Any questions?
[02:22:37] <Dan York> Fred wants to bring this draft to closure
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[02:24:18] <Lorenzo Miniero> Presentation stopped
[02:24:29] <Dan York> That last presenter was Gang Chen.
[02:24:29] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: draft-ietf-v6ops-ula-usage-recommendatio
[02:24:48] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: Background
[02:24:50] <Dan York> Next presenter is Bing Liu
[02:24:58] <Dan York> s/Next/Current/
[02:25:06] <Dan York> Slides: http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/88/slides/slides-88-v6ops-2.pdf
[02:25:09] <Lorenzo Miniero> Current presenter: Bing Liu
[02:25:10] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: Background
[02:25:19] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: Updates since draft-liu-05
[02:25:23] <Dan York> Draft: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-ula-usage-recommendations-01
[02:27:22] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: Operational Considerations
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[02:30:16] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: Operational Considerations(Cont.)
[02:32:23] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: Operational Considerations(Cont.)
[02:34:17] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: Regarding ULA NPTv6
[02:35:24] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 8: Next Step
[02:35:32] <Dan York> Coments open
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[02:35:41] <Dan York> mic line forming
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[02:38:43] <Arturo Servin Meetcho> Do we really have evidence that ULAs work here or there?
[02:39:02] <Arturo Servin Meetcho> Rhetorical question
[02:40:11] <Lorenzo Miniero> Presentation stopped
[02:40:29] <Dan York> Cameron Byrne presenting
[02:40:39] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: draft-byrne-v6ops-clatip-00
[02:40:42] <Dan York> Slides: http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/88/slides/slides-88-v6ops-5.pdf
[02:40:44] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: Problem Statement
[02:40:50] <Lorenzo Miniero> Current presenter: Cameron Byrne
[02:40:51] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: Problem Statement
[02:40:57] <Dan York> Draft: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-byrne-v6ops-clatip-00
[02:42:09] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: Possible Solution Set
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[02:43:10] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: Will this break things?
[02:43:12] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: Is this deployed already? Yes
[02:43:16] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: Next Step
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[02:45:24] <Dan York> ? at mic
[02:45:32] <internetplumber> Alain Durand
[02:45:38] <Dan York> thank you
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[02:49:33] <Dave Thaler> RFC 6333 says "192.0.0.1 is reserved for the AFTR element, and 192.0.0.2 is reserved for the B4 element. If a service provider has a special configuration that prevents the B4 element from using 192.0.0.2, the B4 element MAY use any other addresses within the 192.0.0.0/29 range."
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[03:00:17] <Dan York> We're pulling a presentation forward from Wednesday
[03:00:19] <Lorenzo Miniero> Presentation stopped
[03:00:29] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: DHCPv6/SLAAC Address Configuration Inter
[03:00:34] <Dan York> Slides: http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/88/slides/slides-88-v6ops-1.pdf
[03:00:58] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: Regarding the Mailing List Discussion
[03:01:19] <Dan York> Draft: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-liu-bonica-v6ops-dhcpv6-slaac-problem
[03:01:29] <Lorenzo Miniero> Current presenter: Bing Liu
[03:01:30] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: Regarding the Mailing List Discussion
[03:02:47] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: About this Draft
[03:05:05] <John Jason Brzozowski> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groundhog_Day_%28film%29
[03:05:19] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: The Flags
[03:05:22] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: Hosts might confuse about…
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[03:07:38] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: Testing
[03:08:04] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: Important test results
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[03:17:55] <Dan York> (Fred Baker was speaking before... wants to send this off to 6man)
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[03:17:58] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: Important test results
[03:18:01] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: Testing
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[03:22:50] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: The Flags
[03:23:13] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: Important test results
[03:23:19] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 8: Operational Issues
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