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[11:00:31] <Lorenzo Miniero> agenda page in screen: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/87/agenda/agenda-87-v6ops
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[11:03:16] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: ULAs defined
[11:03:55] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: Not intended to be globally routed
[11:05:03] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 9: But
[11:06:02] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 10: do they leak into routing
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[11:07:19] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 13: Low level leakage
[11:07:43] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 18: SMTP Received-Via
[11:08:44] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 19: Reverse DNS
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[11:09:46] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 20: Top 25 ULA query sources
[11:10:51] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 30: Centrally managed
[11:11:37] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 33: Self Assigned
[11:12:33] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 39: Seen any collisions?
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[11:13:26] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 40: How do the /128 assign?
[11:14:09] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 42: Summary
[11:14:45] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 43: ULA here to stay
[11:15:00] <Franck Martin> I don't understand... a machine will have a ULA and machines will try to do IPv6 before IPv4, so when communicating locally ULA is used, like in the example between two internal MTAs...
[11:15:10] <Franck Martin> not sure I understand where is the problem
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[11:15:47] <Wes George> franck od you need this proxied to the mic?
[11:16:08] <Franck Martin> I'll walk, just checking it is a valid question...
[11:16:44] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 34: Self Assigned
[11:17:06] <furry13> you can look at hop limit to guess if those packets are from different sources...
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[11:18:30] <Wes George> furry are you in the room, or should I proxy?
[11:18:43] <furry13> I'm soooo far away ;)
[11:18:48] <furry13> pls proxy ;)
[11:19:05] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 40: How do the /128 assign?
[11:19:09] <furry13> it is not the best way but just off top of my head..
[11:22:12] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: Enterprise Incremental IPv6
[11:22:35] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: Enterprise Incremental IPv6
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[11:23:25] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: IETF86 Orlando Input
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[11:23:52] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: Updates
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[11:24:44] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: Updates
[11:25:45] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: Summary
[11:26:44] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: Updates
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[11:33:45] <Michael Richardson> YOU CAN NOT GET GLOBAL ADDRESSES for Non-CONNECTED NETWORKS for $0. RFC1918 was $0.
[11:33:59] <Wes George> do I need to proxy
[11:34:14] <Michael Richardson> asking my manager and/or VP for $1250/year for something that I had for free in IPv4 === not deploying v6 my enterprise this year.
[11:34:35] <Wes George> proxy or no?
[11:34:41] <Lorenzo Miniero> Presentation stopped
[11:34:45] <Michael Richardson> no.
[11:34:55] <Michael Richardson> save the room from my rant.
[11:35:19] <Wes George> it's a useful point. Though in most cases PD space is still free ;-)
[11:35:33] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: A solution to a 3GPP specific issue
[11:35:45] <Michael Richardson> I arrived late... was that ULA in the wild that just occured?
[11:35:49] <Michael Richardson> was the agenda order changed?
[11:35:49] <Wes George> yes
[11:36:00] <Wes George> well, no, that was first. this was a discussion of enterprise incremental
[11:36:15] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3
[11:36:25] <Wes George> are you on meetecho, or do you need pointers to slides
[11:36:59] <furry13> (i wish we had slide # on slides....)
[11:37:10] <Wes George> +1m
[11:37:19] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: Recent changes
[11:37:22] <Wes George> I've taken to just adding the slide numbers to my presenters slides myself to ensure they're there
[11:37:27] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: Next steps
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[11:37:36] <Michael Richardson> oh, so ULA in the wild is still to come.
[11:38:18] <Michael Richardson> oh, ULA was first... and that was enterprise incremental.
[11:38:28] <Michael Richardson> "Discussion of Unique Local Address announcement in routing"  = ULA in the wild? I shoulda cycled to work faster.
[11:38:39] <Wes George> yes that's correct
[11:38:57] <Wes George> but fortunately it'll be available on meetecho recording
[11:40:46] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: About the draft
[11:41:52] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: What's new in -05
[11:43:28] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: Adoption/Questions
[11:44:37] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: About the draft
[11:45:05] <Lorenzo Miniero> (switched to Monitoring Dual Stack/IPv6-only Networks and Services)
[11:45:39] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: Motivations
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[11:46:30] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: The SNMP MIB saga
[11:47:51] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: Clarification of some misconceptions
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[11:49:00] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: More about the draft
[11:50:47] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: Thanks
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[11:55:48] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: Balanced Security for IPv6  CPE
[11:56:06] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: Status
[11:56:20] <Lorenzo Miniero> Current presenter: Eric Vyncke
[11:56:21] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: Status
[11:56:22] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: Problem Statement Which security policy
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[11:56:53] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: Balanced Security ?
[11:57:20] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: Balanced Security?
[11:57:23] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: Balanced Security ?
[11:57:40] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: Balanced Security?
[11:58:29] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: Exception?
[11:59:48] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: Changes in -01
[12:00:51] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 8: Next Steps?
[12:01:25] <Michael Richardson> isn't it already a WG document?
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[12:03:04] <Michael Richardson> mic: I like this document, if it makes operators happier.  What I would like to see is a standard specification of the blocked port list, and perhaps a /.well-known way to update the list.
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[12:06:11] <Wes George> ack
[12:06:12] <Wes George> stby
[12:09:57] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: Changes in -01
[12:10:48] <Michael Richardson> +1 on what Lorenzo said.
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[12:11:54] <Michael Richardson> even if the spec is just, one line per port.  I'd rather go for, "port, URL-to-IANA-entry-for-that-port"
[12:11:56] <Luis Nunez> maybe use NETCONF/YANG for implementation?
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[12:12:50] <Michael Richardson> Luis, I'm thinking something a semi-technical end user can paste and/or upload.
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[12:13:26] <Wes George> I'm extremely leery of the notion of managing this via an RFC
[12:13:41] <Wes George> it changes WAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY too often for that model
[12:13:57] <Wes George> this is more like a downloadable definition file, something like an email blacklist, etc
[12:13:58] <Luis Nunez> i agree
[12:14:14] <furry13> +1
[12:14:30] <wcerveny@gmail.com> +1
[12:14:31] <Luis Nunez> dynamic changes require automation
[12:15:17] <Michael Richardson> Luis, an operator may well use NETCONF/YANG to update all of their customer's devices.  A customer won't be doing that.
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[12:15:46] <Michael Richardson> +1 on what Wes said.
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[12:16:32] <Luis Nunez> Agree with Michael Richardson - this would be useful for enterprise/sp
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[12:17:31] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: Measuring the Effects of Happy Eyeballs
[12:17:54] <furry13> Oh, that one...I don't want to be too pedantic but I have question already: "Intended status: Standards Track " - why?
[12:18:16] <Lorenzo Miniero> Current presenter: Vaihbav Bajpai
[12:18:17] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: Measuring the Effects of Happy Eyeballs
[12:18:21] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: Happy Eyeballs Algorithm [RFC 6555]
[12:18:52] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: Research Question
[12:19:44] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: Metrics and Implementation
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[12:20:46] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: Measurement Trials
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[12:21:32] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: Measurement Trials
[12:22:05] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: Measuring Raw Performance
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[12:23:27] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 8: Measuring Raw Performance
[12:23:41] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 9: Measuring Preference
[12:24:36] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 10: Measuring Slowness
[12:25:21] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 11: Measuring Slowness
[12:25:47] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 12: Data Analysis Insights
[12:28:35] <furry13> question: what they are measuring is actually discrepancy between v4 and v6 topologies. It is changing   - any data on how the situation changing over time?
[12:31:34] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: Measuring Raw Performance
[12:31:58] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 8: Measuring Raw Performance
[12:36:03] <Lorenzo Miniero> Presentation stopped
[12:37:54] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: Introduction
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[12:38:02] <Lorenzo Miniero> Current presenter: Mike Ackermann
[12:38:03] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: Introduction
[12:38:23] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: Not Zero-Impact
[12:39:14] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: IPv4 Work-Arounds
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[12:39:54] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: Metrics Needed
[12:40:57] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: Why Packet Sequence Number?
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[12:41:09] <Bill Cerveny> btw, for those following remotely (like me :-) ) presentation is "Need for / Usage of Performance and Diagnostics Metrics Destination Options Header"
[12:41:27] <Lorenzo Miniero> yes, sorry, should have mentioned that :)
[12:41:43] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: Requirement
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[12:42:44] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 8: Response Time Measurements Packet Captur
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[12:44:02] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 9: Response Time Measurement Step 1
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[12:44:51] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 10: Response Time Measurement Step 2
[12:45:35] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 11: Response Time Measurement Step 3
[12:45:55] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 12: When Did it Get to Host A?
[12:46:38] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 13: What is Needed?
[12:47:16] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 15: PDM Destination Options EH
[12:57:43] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 10: Response Time Measurement Step 2
[12:57:44] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 11: Response Time Measurement Step 3
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[13:04:03] <Michael Richardson> mic: wrt what Lorenzo said about 5 years... if the financial networks need this, I think the vendors will respond quickly...
[13:05:30] <Dan Wing> they should do a tunnel that has the timestamp or seq# or whatever.
[13:05:50] <Michael Richardson> mic: it doesn't work for putting it in the application, because the applications are often multiply-proxied through many layers of abstractions, and the division of responsability means that the network people have to quickly say, "not our problem", and point the finger back at the application managers.
[13:06:55] <Michael Richardson> Using ESP with NULL cipher is a really good idea, and it automatically tunnels.
[13:07:10] <Michael Richardson> And you can get a well-known SPI# allocated.
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[13:08:11] <nygren@mit.edu/barnowl> It's also unclear that something at the IP layer will be useful enough
without adequate annotation of where timing/performance from
some types of middle-boxes comes into play.  (Beyond the challenges
due to NTP not being good enough in a WAN environment)
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[13:10:18] <leehoward@lightwitch.org> Remind Fred that the mic is on
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[13:11:22] <leehoward@lightwitch.org> lol
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[13:15:45] <Michael Richardson> I guess, it's time to make some recordings of interesting things heard after the session.
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