v6ops - Wednesday, March 13, 2013

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joel jaeggli has set the subject to: v6ops IETF 85 thursday 1300 EST

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[19:08:46] <SwedeMike> meetecho meeting isn't open yet, right?
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[19:13:05] <SwedeMike> oki, meetecho works now.
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[19:13:39] <Mikael Abrahamsson> sound is ok too
[19:13:48] <danyork> Do we have remote attendees?
[19:13:54] <Mikael Abrahamsson> yes, plenty.
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[19:14:06] <danyork> Okay, I can relay comments
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[19:15:22] <danyork> Design Choices document will not be presented
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[19:16:08] <danyork> Slide: http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/86/slides/slides-86-v6ops-8.pdf
[19:16:14] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 2: Status
[19:16:24] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 3: Problem Statement /1
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[19:16:38] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 4: Problem Statement /2 What do we do in IP
[19:16:50] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 3: Problem Statement /1
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[19:17:26] <Alessandro Amirante> sorry this slide doesn't show well... the animation hot lost during pdf conversion
[19:17:28] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 4: Problem Statement /2 What do we do in IP
[19:18:13] <danyork> Remote attendees, please preface any questions for the mic with "mic:" and I will be glad to relay
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[19:18:23] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 5: Balanced Security ?
[19:18:28] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 6: Balanced Security?
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[19:19:05] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 7: Exception?
[19:20:24] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 8: Meta-Exceptions?
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[19:20:50] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 9: Balanced Security: Summary
[19:20:57] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 8: Meta-Exceptions?
[19:21:18] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 9: Balanced Security: Summary
[19:21:43] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 10: Next Steps?
[19:23:08] <danyork> Lee Howard at mic
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[19:27:44] <danyork> Lee Howard at mic
[19:29:43] <Mikael Abrahamsson> I think this is useful as informational.
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[19:30:11] <Alessandro Amirante> Presentation stopped
[19:30:22] <danyork> Hum taken on whether to keep working or create a working group document.
[19:30:43] <Mikael Abrahamsson> outcome was to keep working and not WG, right?
[19:30:57] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 1: Internet Engineering Task Force
[19:31:00] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 2: TODAY’S AGENDA
[19:31:07] <Alessandro Amirante> Current presenter: Michael Ackermann
[19:31:08] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 2: TODAY’S AGENDA
[19:31:58] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 3: IPID FIELD IN IPv4 BACKGROUND
[19:32:22] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 4: IPID FIELD IN IPv6 – CURRENT ST
[19:32:36] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 5: Why We Need It
[19:33:08] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 6: EDCO PERSPECTIVE
[19:34:34] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 7: EDCO BUSINESS VALUE       �
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[19:35:05] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 8: EDCO BUSINESS VALUE 2
[19:35:13] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 9: From Gerald Combs: Original Develop
[19:35:28] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 10: Use Case Examples
[19:35:34] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 11: USE CASE #1 Large Computer
[19:35:45] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 12: 12
[19:35:58] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 13: USE CASE #2 Large Insurance
[19:36:32] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 14: USE CASE #2   WireShark 1 I
[19:36:38] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 15: USE CASE #2   WireShark 2 T
[19:36:42] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 16: USE CASE #3 Large Bank
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[19:37:26] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 17: USE CASE #4 Law Enforcement�
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[19:37:56] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 18: USE CASE #5 Diagnostic Tool�
[19:38:27] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 19: 19
[19:38:40] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 20: USE CASE #6 Large Bank
[19:39:31] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 21: CONCLUSION REGARDING IPID FIELD IN�
[19:39:51] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 22: RECOMMENDATION FOR IPID FIELD IN I
[19:39:58] <danyork> Mikael Abrahamsson: Sorry... missed your question earlier - yes, outcome of hum was for Eric to continue working on the draft
[19:40:02] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 21: CONCLUSION REGARDING IPID FIELD IN�
[19:40:11] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 22: RECOMMENDATION FOR IPID FIELD IN I
[19:40:59] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 23: Statement of Support
[19:42:02] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 24: QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS
[19:42:12] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 23: Statement of Support
[19:42:21] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 24: QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS
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[19:44:19] <Mikael Abrahamsson> sound is distorting now
[19:44:29] <Bill Jouris> [mic] I think the financial issues raised here rather miss the point.  In health care, patient medical records are increasingly electronic.  If the network has problems, those records cannot be accessed.  Which, occasionally, means that people DIE.
[19:45:04] <danyork> bill - will relay
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[19:45:44] <Bill Jouris> Thanks
[19:45:51] <danyork> Erik Kline
[19:46:21] <danyork> Sorry... it's still Joel talking
[19:46:34] <danyork> Erik Kline is behind Joel at the mic and will be speaking next
[19:46:43] <Bill Fenner> [mic] RFC 6864 <http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6864> says to set the IPv4 ID field to 0 on packets that aren't fragmented
[19:46:52] <danyork> ok
[19:49:37] <danyork> I am in line... if anyone else has questions/comments to relay, please feel free to say so now.  I've got the comments from the two Bills right now
[19:49:37] <Bill Fenner> [to be clear, that means that IPv4, post-RFC6864, has the same problem as they are trying to solve in IPv6]
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[19:50:41] <danyork> Bob was not aware of any request for time in 6man
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[19:54:58] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 25: Appendix A: POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS
[19:57:35] <mcharlesr> DF=1, and fragid=0 has been common on OSes for 10 years...
[19:57:54] <danyork> That was me (Dan York) at the mic
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[20:01:27] <Alessandro Amirante> Presentation stopped
[20:01:48] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 1: IPv6
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[20:01:54] <Alessandro Amirante> Current presenter: Arturo
[20:01:54] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 1: IPv6
Opera onal
Guidelines
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[20:02:01] <Alessandro Amirante> Current presenter: Arturo Servin
[20:02:02] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 1: IPv6
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[20:02:21] <danyork> Arturo Servin presenting
[20:02:22] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 2: About
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[20:02:50] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 3: What’s
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[20:05:49] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 4: Other
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[20:07:20] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 5: Security
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[20:09:06] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 6: Ques ons?

[20:10:34] <Tina Tsou> No dependency
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[20:11:43] <danyork> Asking for reviewers
[20:11:53] <danyork> Lee Howard at mic
[20:12:20] <danyork> Mike Ackerman will review
[20:12:25] <danyork> Sig at mic
[20:13:02] <danyork> I was at mic previously, as well as "Daniel from Samsung"
[20:13:06] <danyork> Sig will review
[20:13:14] <danyork> Eric Vyncke will review
[20:13:25] <Alessandro Amirante> Presentation stopped
[20:13:41] <Alejandro Acosta> just as a comment, this document has improved a lot from previous versions
[20:13:41] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 1: draft-liu-v6ops-ula-usage-analysis-05
[20:13:47] <danyork> Next up: http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/86/slides/slides-86-v6ops-10.pdf
[20:13:48] <Alessandro Amirante> Current presenter: Bing Liu
[20:13:49] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 1: draft-liu-v6ops-ula-usage-analysis-05
[20:14:04] <danyork> Alejandro Acosta: Yes, it certainly has improved
[20:14:24] <danyork> Draft being discussed now: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-liu-v6ops-ula-usage-analysis-05
[20:14:39] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 2: Purposes of this draft
[20:15:47] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 3: General Scenarios Analysis 1/3
[20:16:31] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 4: General Scenarios Analysis 2/3
[20:16:38] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 3: General Scenarios Analysis 1/3
[20:16:52] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 4: General Scenarios Analysis 2/3
[20:18:20] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 5: General Scenarios Analysis 3/3
[20:19:56] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 6: Recommended Special Use Cases
[20:21:46] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 7: A useful document? Adoption?
[20:22:27] <danyork> Is this draft useful?
[20:22:32] <danyork> Should it be adopted?
[20:22:40] <danyork> Alex ___ at mic
[20:23:37] <danyork> Eric Vynke at mic
[20:24:14] <danyork> Any remote comments?
[20:24:25] <danyork> (and there are several people in line now)
[20:26:28] <danyork> Phillip Matthews
[20:27:08] <danyork> Previous speaker was Alex Pedescru
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[20:30:04] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 5: General Scenarios Analysis 3/3
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[20:42:20] <danyork> hum taken
[20:42:24] <danyork> in adoption
[20:42:34] <danyork> question will be put to the list
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