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[13:18:32] <Joel Jaeggli> v6ops ietf 83 session 2 starts at 15:20
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[13:22:10] <oej> Agenda bashing going on
[13:22:32] <oej> ICE cream distribution has happened in this room
[13:22:52] <Dan York> for real?
[13:23:14] <oej> REALtime REAL ice cream distribution happened. For IPv6 evangelists
[13:23:52] <furry13> discrimination agains remote participants ;(
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[13:24:00] <oej> Mark Townsley: IP Transitioning in CE routers
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[13:24:34] <Joel Jaeggli> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-v6ops-4.pdf
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[13:25:22] <oej> Slide: BLACK
[13:25:28] <oej> Slide: 6rd
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[13:29:50] <oej> Slide: REquirements for IPv6 Multihoming and 6rd sunsetting
[13:30:34] <Joel Jaeggli> fred router must implement rfc 3704
[13:30:57] <oej> Slide: DS-lite
[13:31:28] <oej> Joel: Ask speakers to say their name clearly, thanks.
[13:31:37] <oej> Thanks
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[13:31:45] <Joel Jaeggli> ? working on it
[13:32:29] <oej> Multirouter multihoming multidmz. Wow.
[13:32:56] <Dan York> Was there a new version of the slides versus http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-v6ops-4.pdf ? I just saw slides up on the screen that I don't see in the deck
[13:33:10] <Joel Jaeggli> yeah
[13:33:20] <Joel Jaeggli> working to upload
[13:33:57] <Joel Jaeggli> philip mathews
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[13:39:25] <Joel Jaeggli> latest version of this slide deck is not the last download on the meeting materials page
[13:40:11] <Joel Jaeggli> slides-83-v6ops-13 <http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-v6ops-13.pptx>
[13:40:19] <Joel Jaeggli> s/not/now
[13:40:41] <Joel Jaeggli> fred b - mic
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[13:41:02] <Joel Jaeggli> service provider vs retail router case
[13:41:03] <Dan York> Ah, now in PPT so we can all see if they will blow up our computers. :-)
[13:41:10] <Dan York> Thank you, Joel.
[13:41:31] <Joel Jaeggli> opened fine in open office
[13:41:40] <Joel Jaeggli> (y)
[13:41:57] <Dan York> Opened fine in Mac PPT for me, too. :-)
[13:42:05] <Joel Jaeggli> just fred
[13:43:44] <oej> breaks up in Mac Keynote...
[13:45:39] <oej> ?? at mic
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[13:46:24] <Lee Howard> Roberta something
[13:46:49] <Joel Jaeggli> madiglione telecom italia
[13:46:59] <Joel Jaeggli> I believe
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[13:47:38] <Lee Howard> yes, that's right
[13:47:41] <Joel Jaeggli> jonne soininen
[13:49:05] <Joel Jaeggli> existing vs new services -
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[13:50:44] <Joel Jaeggli> mon some timething france telecom
[13:52:02] <Joel Jaeggli> christian - ft
[13:53:02] <Joel Jaeggli> victor k -
[13:53:48] <Joel Jaeggli> tunnel is a catch all for stuff I can't serve with anything else
[13:54:20] <oej> "43 dollar routers work like 43 dollar routers." Victor
[13:55:21] <Joel Jaeggli> who is that?
[13:55:27] <oej> Hans Lil talking
[13:55:27] <Lee Howard> Hans Liu, D-Link
[13:55:34] <Joel Jaeggli> thanks
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[13:56:53] <Bjoern A. Zeeb> Blame this working group for having come up with zillions of possible transition technology
[13:57:30] <oej> :-)
[13:57:50] <Lee Howard> this working group didn't do it. Behave and Softwire
[13:58:41] <Lee Howard> commetns at the mic seemed pretty consistent
[13:58:48] <Joel Jaeggli> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-v6ops-11.pdf
[13:58:49] <Dave Freedman> indeed
[13:58:59] <Bjoern A. Zeeb> Lee come on; it's all one big one
[13:59:13] <Dave Freedman> I just wonder that there are arguments over the ordering
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[14:04:31] <Joel Jaeggli> slide 7
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[14:06:05] <Joel Jaeggli> mark townsley
[14:06:10] <Joel Jaeggli> - mic
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[14:07:33] <Joel Jaeggli> dave thaler - mic
[14:07:54] <Joel Jaeggli> pcp discussion -
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[14:08:38] <Joel Jaeggli> ole troan - mic
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[14:09:17] <Joel Jaeggli> dhcp issues are progressing in dhcp
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[14:10:20] <Joel Jaeggli> m/o bits read all discussion and take it up in 3315bis
[14:10:33] <Joel Jaeggli> philip mathews
[14:11:17] <Lee Howard> John Brzozowski
[14:11:18] <Joel Jaeggli> john browsouski - largely in support with the next steps
[14:12:06] <Joel Jaeggli> francis dupont - w6/7 remove them
[14:12:13] <Joel Jaeggli> remove normative to pcp
[14:12:55] <Joel Jaeggli> dimitri apinu microsoft /
[14:12:58] <Joel Jaeggli> ?
[14:13:19] <oej> Can't read, sorry...
[14:13:28] <oej> Will try again
[14:13:59] <Joel Jaeggli> alain durant
[14:14:07] <oej> Dimitry Anipko Microsoft
[14:14:14] <oej> Alain Durand
[14:15:11] <Joel Jaeggli> lee howard -
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[14:15:31] <Joel Jaeggli> christian ? france telecom -
[14:15:35] <oej> Roberta Maglione
[14:15:56] <oej> Fred (not as chair)
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[14:16:36] <Joel Jaeggli> fred - questions
[14:16:59] <Joel Jaeggli> rfc 3704 comment
[14:17:48] <Joel Jaeggli> hum - some in favor, no opposed
[14:17:49] <Lee Howard> Joel, no fair humming into the mic.
[14:18:06] <oej> Mark Townsley talking
[14:18:07] <Joel Jaeggli> I didn't count myself
[14:18:32] <Joel Jaeggli> ;)
[14:18:52] <Joel Jaeggli> prefer the native to the 6rd?
[14:19:53] <oej> Seems like we have a hum result: We prefer native IPv6 over tunnels
[14:20:02] <Joel Jaeggli> question as hum, no-one prefers 6rd to native
[14:20:21] <Joel Jaeggli> native prefered
[14:20:43] <Janos Mohacsi> what about switching from 6rd to native ipv6 with router restart? 6rd is working until CPE restarted, then native ipv6 used.
[14:21:13] <Lee Howard> is there an interoperability prbolem between 6rd and native?
[14:21:15] <Joel Jaeggli> configured both at the same time and indepedantly
[14:21:22] <Joel Jaeggli> some prefer
[14:21:32] <Dave Freedman> sounds like more prefer than not
[14:21:38] <Joel Jaeggli> correct
[14:21:39] <Dave Freedman> from where I was sitting anyway
[14:21:56] <Joel Jaeggli> an author disagrees
[14:22:42] <Joel Jaeggli> mark t - f we specify ds-lite we need to do it correctly
[14:23:12] <Joel Jaeggli> fred - would the world come to end if we disagreed on how to do it?
[14:23:58] <Joel Jaeggli> chris d - dhc reported they're inline with hat's already there.
[14:24:51] <Joel Jaeggli> fred - my perception is that we await an updated draft that deals with the issues highlighted, we can run through a last calla and be ready to ship
[14:24:58] <Joel Jaeggli> ole t - no
[14:25:11] <Janos Mohacsi> I agree with Fred
[14:25:29] <oej> ------- Next presentation
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[14:25:56] <Joel Jaeggli> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-v6ops-6.pdf
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[14:26:24] <oej> The jabber scribes of the world should unite and REQUIRE page numbers in all presentations.
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[14:26:55] <Joel Jaeggli> it'll be a reqiurement for the next v6ops meeting
[14:27:07] <furry13> seconded. page numbers would be *awesome*
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[14:28:40] <Joel Jaeggli> fred - comments
[14:28:46] <Janos Mohacsi> Agree with Fernando -> go for WGLC
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[14:29:12] <Joel Jaeggli> hum - most in favor, one opposed
[14:29:24] <Joel Jaeggli> to wglc
[14:29:32] <Joel Jaeggli> boern zeeb
[14:29:43] <Joel Jaeggli> - mic
[14:31:15] <oej> Björn Zeeb
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[14:33:20] oej has set the subject to: v6ops -- IETF83
[14:33:23] <Janos Mohacsi> See draft of Fernando about atomic fragment
[14:34:29] <Joel Jaeggli> ilistch van begin - mic
[14:35:00] <oej> ---Next presentation
[14:35:08] <Joel Jaeggli> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-v6ops-7.pptx
[14:35:45] <Joel Jaeggli> victor k - presenting
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[14:36:07] <oej> Document discussed http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-wireline-incremental-ipv6-01
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[14:40:01] <Joel Jaeggli> ? hu -
[14:40:01] <oej> Gang Chen, China mobile talking
[14:40:10] <Joel Jaeggli> ah
[14:41:23] <Joel Jaeggli> christian france telecom -
[14:41:54] <Joel Jaeggli> fred - gonna have at least one more draft?
[14:42:40] <oej> --- next presentation
[14:42:48] <Joel Jaeggli> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-v6ops-12.pptx
[14:42:54] <Janos Mohacsi> hum for new version and after WGLC
[14:43:06] <Joel Jaeggli> sri gundavelli
[14:43:20] <oej> Document discussed: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gundavelli-v6ops-community-wifi-svcs-03
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[14:50:42] <Joel Jaeggli> lee howard - mic
[14:50:55] <Janos Mohacsi> it is very sketchy currently.
[14:51:33] <Joel Jaeggli> philip mathews - mic
[14:51:57] <Joel Jaeggli> atr ? -
[14:52:47] <Joel Jaeggli> does this belong in other standards bodies such as wfa or 3gppp
[14:52:58] <Janos Mohacsi> This service model is under development also for IPv4? or only for IPv6?
[14:53:23] <Joel Jaeggli> also bbf
[14:54:01] <Joel Jaeggli> somebody from cisco -
[14:55:28] <oej> --- next presentation
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[14:56:52] <oej> Document discussed: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-behringer-lla-only-00
[14:56:52] <oej> Document: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-behringer-lla-only-00
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[14:57:41] <Bjoern A. Zeeb> Does this mean we can get RH0 back *hide*
[14:58:33] <Janos Mohacsi> The wording of http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-behringer-lla-only-00 is rather strong. This is possible option. I prefer information not BCP. Not BCP is using LL addresses, it is more matter of taste.
[14:59:29] <oej> If you need someone to channel you to mic, please prefix with "mic:" - only if you're remote
[15:00:59] <oej> Jared Mauch waiting at mic (ice-cream-supplier :-) )
[15:01:52] <oej> "The existing IP protocol that the Internet uses today" - without mentioning the version number. Elegant! - Jared
[15:02:51] <Janos Mohacsi> the statically configuring LL is practically nullify some advantages!
[15:04:02] <Janos Mohacsi> please mic: The wording of http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-behringer-lla-only-00 is rather strong. This is possible option. I prefer information not BCP. Not BCP is using LL addresses, it is more matter of taste.
[15:04:35] <oej> Queued
[15:05:11] <Joel Jaeggli> jan heorge go six - slovenia - seems brilliant when you design it
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[15:05:54] <Joel Jaeggli> ron bonica
[15:05:59] <furry13> IMHO, pros/cons should be described in more details so those customers who are looking for possible options could better understand all limitations/consequences.
[15:06:55] <oej> Mem Sandberg
[15:07:58] <Joel Jaeggli> phlip mathews - I don't necessarily agree with the conclusions
[15:08:05] <Joel Jaeggli> janos from jabber
[15:08:31] <Joel Jaeggli> ? from cisco -
[15:08:49] <Lee Howard79761> Salman Asadullah (I read his nametag)
[15:08:56] <Joel Jaeggli> thank you
[15:09:30] <Joel Jaeggli> peter lothberg -
[15:09:31] <oej> Peter Lötberg
[15:09:49] <oej> Pick one spelling :-)
[15:12:21] <Janos Mohacsi> Agree with Peter
[15:12:27] <Joel Jaeggli> ilisch -
[15:13:04] <Joel Jaeggli> occasions where this is useful
[15:13:26] <furry13> lol
[15:14:27] <Janos Mohacsi> Agree with Iljitch: BGP needs global IPv6 addresses
[15:14:42] <fdupont> as the co-author of the BGP for IPv6 RFC I support Illjitch!
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[15:15:00] <oej> --and that concludes this meeting --
[15:15:07] <Janos Mohacsi> thanks!
[15:15:16] <oej> You're welcome :-)
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