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[06:08:01] --- John Ronan has joined [06:08:46] --- dudi has joined [06:08:47] v6only wlan needed some time to start working for me, though [06:08:52] --- Ralph Droms has joined [06:09:02] --- keith.brazington has left [06:09:32] --- keith.brazington has joined [06:09:42] --- mrichardson has joined [06:09:46] --- raj has joined [06:09:51] --- nm has joined [06:12:11] --- SuzanneW has joined [06:12:50] --- levigner has joined [06:14:01] --- atarashi has joined [06:14:07] --- Ben has joined [06:15:09] --- patara has joined [06:15:10] --- arifumi 頭痛 iKnow! has joined [06:17:51] --- SuzanneW has left [06:18:11] --- SuzanneW has joined [06:19:51] --- SuzanneW has left [06:20:18] --- SuzanneW has joined [06:20:28] --- SuzanneW has left [06:20:28] --- aalain has joined [06:22:09] --- internetplumber has joined [06:22:09] --- BillC has joined [06:22:12] --- jpc has joined [06:22:33] --- yoshfuji has joined [06:23:34] excuse me. who is speaking ? [06:23:49] At the mic? Alain Durand. [06:24:07] Presentation is by Jorn Curran. [06:24:10] John [06:24:36] ok. thanks [06:25:15] --- fdupont has joined [06:26:41] --- Suzanne has joined [06:27:11] --- sakuma.macx has joined [06:28:44] doesn't the routing table growth go steeper, but IPv4 size reaches a plateau sooner? [06:29:16] how many vendors can adjust their routing table allocation dynamically between v4 and v6 tables? [06:29:33] some have seperate CAMs, some have single pools of look ram, some just use system ram. [06:34:09] --- nm has left [06:34:14] --- arifumi 頭痛 iKnow! has left [06:34:17] --- Ben has left [06:34:48] --- Ralph Droms has left [06:34:50] Temporary hiatus whilst we change room; will appear on a different channel I guess... [06:34:55] --- iljitsch has left [06:35:08] any idea of the room? 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[06:38:53] people couldn't fit in the room [06:38:57] ha [06:39:02] --- atarashi has left: Replaced by new connection [06:39:11] so people came up with a seating space transition plan [06:39:18] and it was sooner than expected [06:39:30] Which everyone groaned about, but happened remarkably easily. :) [06:39:35] Thanks... way too ironic [06:40:04] --- nm has joined [06:40:15] --- fdupont has left [06:40:34] --- SuzanneW has joined [06:41:02] --- raj has left: Replaced by new connection [06:41:03] "stampede is a transition" [06:41:03] --- iljitsch has joined [06:41:13] we're now in the other room... [06:41:13] okay, but the sooner the exhaustion date, the more likely a landgrab. [06:45:02] --- kurtis@jabber.psg.com has joined [06:45:49] Speaking is Marcelo Bagnulo on draft-bugnulo-v6ops-6man-nat64-pb-statement [06:46:01] --- ThinkingCat has joined [06:46:02] s/bugnulo/bagnulo/ [06:47:18] http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/08mar/slides/v6ops-0.ppt [06:49:46] --- psavola has joined [06:50:40] mrichardson: wrt your earlier v4/v6 CAM question, at least on cisco 7600 you can adjust these [06:53:07] --- Ralph Droms has left: Replaced by new connection [06:53:33] Wrt the first preso on transition plan, I wonder why nobody commented that there is no policy structure to get consensus on this when there are 100,000 major stakeholders on the field on this. [06:56:29] --- John Ronan has left [07:00:23] --- raj has joined [07:02:09] --- Ralph Droms has joined [07:04:25] --- DD has joined [07:04:27] --- john.zhao has joined [07:05:27] --- atarashi has joined [07:07:30] --- DD has left: Computer went to sleep [07:10:14] --- fdupont has joined [07:11:05] concur about never introducing a new security vunerability is impossible. That's same as saying new software can never have bugs. impossible [07:13:41] --- sakuma.macx has left: Replaced by new connection [07:14:58] --- iljitsch has left [07:15:35] --- iljitsch has joined [07:17:49] --- nm has left: Replaced by new connection [07:18:17] --- nm has joined [07:18:30] --- Ralph Droms has left: Replaced by new connection [07:21:30] doesn't SCTP transmit alternate IP addresses in-band? [07:21:36] --- trond has joined [07:21:44] yes [07:21:52] won't the ipv4 end of an IPv6<-transition->IPv4 not know how to deal with these alternate IPs? [07:22:03] the main thing is that the NAT doesn't just drop proto-SCTP [07:22:24] okay, so running SCTP over UDP takes care of that.... [07:22:36] --- pawal has joined [07:22:41] then it's just udp so IMO the requirement doesn't apply [07:22:54] but "SHOULD" only means "we get to complain when you don't" [07:24:54] --- john.zhao has left: Computer went to sleep [07:26:00] --- john.zhao has joined [07:26:55] --- sakuma.macx has joined [07:28:38] --- xiaodong.lee has joined [07:32:11] --- john.zhao has left: Computer went to sleep [07:32:47] yeah, iljitsch, but I said that I had dual stack. [07:34:06] dual stack with rfc 1918 or with public space? [07:34:19] --- john.zhao has joined [07:34:44] in the former case you have all the headaches and all the nat issues, the second case won't be supportable for new users in a few years because of lack of v4 space [07:35:52] almost all residential users are already behind nats yet they seem to have survived somehow... :-) [07:36:04] http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3948.txt (and 3947 for the IKE negotiation of it) is the ipsec nat traversal rfc [07:36:35] works for some things, doesn't work for some things [07:36:44] if you've ever configured IPv6 routing you understand how backwards IPv4 routing is [07:37:07] --- narten has joined [07:37:13] iljitsch, dualstack with rfc1918. [07:37:18] you really don't want to do it for rfc 1918 addresses that nobody needs except to be translated to public space anyway [07:38:03] Next up is Alain Durand on Broadband Deployments post IPv4 depletion (slides don't seem to be on MM). [07:42:50] --- jpc has left [07:43:23] --- jpc has joined [07:43:26] --- patara has left [07:46:00] --- DD has joined [07:47:36] --- yoshfuji has left: Replaced by new connection [07:49:44] --- john.zhao has left: Computer went to sleep [07:50:39] actually translating from v6 to v4 is easy because v4 fits in v6, from v4 to v6 is hard because you can't express the IPv6 destination in an IPv4 address. [07:51:30] mine for later are http://www.bgpexpert.com/presentations/ietf-71-v6ops-mnat-pt-ivb.pdf [http://www.bgpexpert.com/presentations/ietf-71-v6ops-mnat-pt-ivb.pdf] [08:02:14] --- narten has joined [08:05:23] --- john.zhao has joined [08:06:34] --- rdenisc has joined [08:07:05] hello? 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