[15:40:55] Ralph Droms joins the room [15:41:30] kodonog joins the room [15:43:24] Stewart Bryant joins the room [15:43:39] Done some agenda bashing [15:43:59] YJS reporting status [15:44:22] Req is WG draft [15:44:48] Creating a definition draft - useful in inter SDO work [15:48:22] Webex - 1st and 3rd Thursday @1600 UK [15:48:56] Informal to progress docs - BUT no ietf status - it's just group editing [15:49:06] Karen - NTP status [15:49:08] wej joins the room [15:50:23] Protocol at rev 11 - resolving copmments and respinning to -12 [15:50:51] `no technical changes since rev-11 [15:51:37] - some sec material moved from Autokey to protocol [15:51:53] Code skeleten compiles, but is only an info appendix [15:52:13] Updated draft expected to be posted today [15:52:43] MIB - has discuss comments - will be updates soon [15:53:12] Autokey - had initial evel by IESG - -05 has been posted [15:54:01] DHCP - went for WG LC [15:54:34] Comemnts fromy Danny and was updated - 2nd WG LC - BRian asked for endorsements [15:54:54] Danny Myer asked for clarifications [15:56:00] One posting said should not proceed - but was aimed at NTP and therefore not relavent to the doc in hand [15:57:00] Ralph - should get some form of DHCP review in DHCP WG [15:58:12] Ralph - ask the DHCP chairs to review [16:00:46] foobar47 joins the room [16:01:06] foobar47 leaves the room [16:01:19] weiler joins the room [16:01:25] Stewart Bryant leaves the room [16:01:37] no jabber scribe? [16:03:24] Aleksi Suhonen joins the room [16:04:11] Stewart Bryant joins the room [16:04:14] Need additional WG input on whether we have all the topics [16:04:43] - mist some stuff because of n/w connectivity problems [16:04:47] which mailing list should comments/endorsements for the drafts mentioned so far sent? [16:04:57] be sent to [16:05:05] TICTOC@ietf.org [16:05:28] ... and NTP comments to ntp@ietf.org [16:05:58] YJS presenting on definitions [16:07:38] that's an odd definition of phase. "period", pehaps [16:08:48] i agree with weiler [16:09:29] pps == pulse(s) per second [16:09:35] so call it pulse or period [16:09:40] Sebastian - group need to review doc [16:09:59] not there's little point in arguing re terminology [16:10:12] let's move on [16:10:57] aligned - phase time but not from an official standard [16:11:25] with what? [16:11:37] mwhamiltonut joins the room [16:11:48] mwhamiltonut leaves the room [16:11:51] It's time in a closed system [16:14:32] Dicussion over uncal time [16:14:48] Seb - definitions not yet agreed [16:15:15] YJS - need this number of defn because of needs of different applns. [16:15:22] so are we moving towards a TAI type of time keeping? [16:16:31] (not official question, but if someone on jabber knows and can answer me privately :-) [16:18:03] Yes - we will support TAI, but some apps don't need that strict type of time - so we have been talking about the full set of references [16:18:40] most apps will still benefit from a clock that doesn't do jumps every now and then? [16:18:41] Will point to defns where they exist [16:19:30] Please make sure you comment wrt the req doc [16:20:56] Concern that defn's will be large and difficult to generate [16:21:08] gdowd joins the room [16:21:21] the thing i'm wondering is that if we need to support both monotonous clocks and human time clocks with leaps, i think a leap would be an important definition? [16:23:36] need to consider defns in conjunction with the network [16:26:24] Need some arch description of some of the on-path support cases [16:26:58] is that Stewart? use mike plz [16:27:14] sorry Greg [16:27:17] np [16:27:41] One of the upcoming conf calls to discuss the arch [16:27:46] (the network element may have a time source that will baffle it with leaps?) [16:28:23] - to Aleksi - lets talk off line [16:29:22] moving to su-1588-modules? [16:29:59] TD-SCDMA case [16:30:18] Problem recognised in IETF AND ITU-T SG13 [16:30:39] tiem and phse to up to 30 nodes [16:31:13] Ralph Droms leaves the room [16:33:47] Now on slide 8 - TS proc [16:34:17] examples for TS process [16:35:33] Would like to receive comments and propose to update draft - will merge with draft-su-tictoc-type-sync-mode [16:36:34] Sec issues would be well placed in IETF - [16:36:53] EVE - how much of this is an overlap with SG13 [16:38:53] Q13 is working on element of this - but IETF would be better placed to work on Sec [16:40:55] Resource discovery, selection of resources, security [16:41:23] kodonog leaves the room [16:41:24] Yes - but we need to get some momemntum [16:41:29] Femtocel sync [16:41:37] that prez is not on site [16:42:10] YJS says was uploaded [16:42:56] perhaps somewhere other than the agenda status page? [16:43:02] - but he was wrong - sorry - and I don't have it on my machine to upload [16:43:09] kk [16:45:08] kodonog joins the room [16:47:35] found it and sent it to tictoc [16:47:56] we will upload it after the mtg [16:50:08] Ralph Droms joins the room [16:52:21] use the mike [16:52:23] please [16:53:28] - IS the fempto cell work of interest to the WG? [16:55:15] Need to have conversation with Dave Mills WRT the impact of time xfer of security [16:55:15] Autokey does NOT support NAT [16:55:49] I think femtocell is distinct enough from wireless backhaul to be included. [16:56:20] Ralph - had the femtocell furum made a request of the IETF to work on this topic [16:56:24] - seems not [16:56:32] Ralph we need more input [16:56:39] from FCF [16:58:57] YJS - should be liaise with FCF or 3GPP [16:59:49] Seb - do we have a protocol in mind for FCF - is it 1588 or NTP or something else [17:01:19] Stefano - fcf freq is addressed in req [17:01:43] Seb - has been presented to Q13 - and expt was 1588 [17:02:00] YJS - some FC chips use NTP [17:03:35] karen - please can we have requirements input [17:05:24] only the timing specs are in the reqs draft today. [17:06:02] as well defined criterion [17:06:29] Stewart Bryant leaves the room [17:06:29] Ralph Droms leaves the room [17:06:44] weiler leaves the room [17:10:51] Aleksi Suhonen leaves the room [18:25:59] kodonog leaves the room [19:20:03] gdowd leaves the room [19:51:46] Stewart Bryant joins the room [21:06:48] Stewart Bryant leaves the room [22:25:25] wej leaves the room [22:45:07] wej joins the room