[17:51:23] werthe joins the room [19:19:44] danny joins the room [21:07:36] harlan joins the room [21:09:10] hi harlan [21:09:12] hey danny [21:18:44] is there anyone in the meeting room? [21:20:34] Peny joins the room [21:21:59] that's yaccov stein [21:22:32] Anybody taking minutes in Tictoc? [21:22:53] David.Cooper joins the room [21:24:36] lion joins the room [21:24:42] kurtis@jabber.psg.com joins the room [21:25:00] Samuel.Ashmore joins the room [21:25:10] I'm curious to learn where I can find out "what the plan is for the future". [21:25:25] see the meeting agenda [21:25:34] I think that is what you are getting now... [21:27:38] no jabber from TICTOC? [21:27:57] apparently no scribe [21:28:06] I'm listening in on audio [21:28:24] http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf735.m3u [21:28:30] me too [21:28:42] No jabber scrine [21:28:45] scribe [21:28:58] I volunteered to be logged in, but not to scribe :) [21:31:37] Anybpdy know where Karen is? [21:31:43] steve joins the room [21:32:03] At the front row :) [21:32:08] good. [21:32:14] thanks... [21:32:33] jonas joins the room [21:32:34] anything not specified should be dropped [21:37:02] +1 to what Karen is saying [21:38:03] if there is not enough interest in adding requirements for specific areas there is no need for it [21:38:33] I think that's a very short=term view danny. Let's collec the info so it's handy and make decisions about what to do with it as time goes on. [21:39:02] yes, but you cannot wait forever. [21:39:07] wanna bet? [21:39:48] lack of interest should not hold up progress [21:40:24] how did you connect interest to collecting data on an ongoing basis? [21:41:03] the people with interest in their specific areas need to step up. They already have the data [21:41:47] not if it is being removed from active documents. If it is being moved to a different online forum which is available and as vibrant as those who care about it choose to make it, then OK. [21:43:31] As an aside, if TICTOC is supposed to "take over" the NTP WG, we need to be sure all of our items are on the list for TICTOC. [21:43:37] Uhm, I am not sure you guys want me to add this to the discussion...? [21:43:46] yes [21:43:50] please [21:44:17] Karen has that on her agenda [21:44:20] good [21:44:41] thanks kurtis [21:47:37] If TICTOC is not oging to proceed with post NTPv4 then we need to keep the NTP WG active. [21:47:49] Or is Yakov baiting the issue? [21:47:54] no [21:48:21] ?? [21:49:10] NTP has ogoing work to do. Ongoing progress and evolution. We must ifnd a way to continue this in a standards-producing way. [21:49:30] sure [21:49:32] what is the defintion of "volunteer"? [21:51:26] make sure that anything that TICTOC wants to do will be compatible with NTP as far as it can be done [21:52:56] The degree to which TICTOC does not want to addres NTP's problem space is the degree we cannot rely on TICTOC to take over for the NTP WG. [21:53:20] Karen needs to tell us what people want to add to NTP [21:59:01] I agree with Stewart [22:01:10] lion leaves the room: Computer went to sleep [22:01:13] kanda joins the room [22:01:43] I can't hear whoever is talking [22:02:01] was stewart and is now silvana [22:06:45] Peny leaves the room: Replaced by new connection [22:06:47] Peny joins the room [22:07:17] Peny leaves the room: Replaced by new connection [22:07:57] Peny joins the room [22:13:45] on-path support should be ready to throw away packets if they do not fulfill the error budget requirements [22:17:46] lion joins the room [22:19:20] is that a comment to the meeting? [22:19:23] lion leaves the room: Computer went to sleep [22:19:31] yes [22:19:59] bad data needs to be thrown away [22:20:14] the hard part is figuring out it's bad [22:21:16] "lowering the bar" for participation would help get more things done more quickly. [22:21:53] I still think a wiki is a good additional way to make progress. [22:25:20] CISCO should have that capability! [22:38:46] martin.thomson joins the room [22:40:26] martin.thomson leaves the room [22:40:49] gotta go [22:42:26] danny leaves the room [22:52:25] Samuel.Ashmore leaves the room [22:56:26] werthe leaves the room [22:57:12] David.Cooper leaves the room [22:57:27] harlan leaves the room [22:57:34] kanda leaves the room [22:57:54] jonas leaves the room [23:02:34] kurtis@jabber.psg.com leaves the room [23:06:41] lhotka joins the room [23:07:19] lhotka leaves the room [23:11:05] steve leaves the room [23:23:20] Peny leaves the room [23:45:52] lion joins the room