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[02:27:43] <dahlia> hi
[02:27:49] <coyled> hi
[02:27:59] <dahlia> woot it worked! :)
[02:28:02] <dahlia> ty :)
[02:28:05] <coyled> np
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[06:57:02] <Morgaine.Dinova> 12345
[06:57:33] <Morgaine.Dinova> Testing :)
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[09:20:31] <me> OH HAI! ^_^
[09:20:35] Morgaine.Dinova waves at Marv :-)
[09:22:36] <Morgaine.Dinova> Seems to work.  I rarely use IM except when the IRC to my local friends here goes down.
[09:23:06] <me> benefit of xmpp is not having to use a nickserv
[09:23:46] <Morgaine.Dinova> Yes.  And the other benefit is that it's already set up for use by IETF workgroups, so no extra work.
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[09:26:40] <dahlia> :P
[09:26:45] <me> so shouldn't we be in mmox@jabber.ietf.org ?
[09:26:47] <Morgaine.Dinova> Hi Dahlia :P
[09:27:15] <Morgaine.Dinova> mmox@ isn't set up yet.  We'll have to ask the AD to do it as soon as possible.
[09:27:28] <dahlia> cant get in to mmox
[09:27:37] <Morgaine.Dinova> It doesn't exist yet.
[09:28:40] <Morgaine.Dinova> Do any of you have experience with crowds in Jabber rooms?  Does it lag?
[09:28:40] <dahlia> so I had my gtalk identity selected and I couldnt get in, then I selected my jabber.org one and it worked
[09:28:58] <me> gtalk is a bit fruity
[09:29:06] <dahlia> I've searched for a crowded jabber room but I've never found one
[09:29:14] <dahlia> maybe 65 max
[09:29:17] <me> well make one :-P
[09:29:23] <dahlia> :P
[09:29:27] <me> go pokes in IRC and invite everyone over
[09:29:53] <Morgaine.Dinova> I'm specifying gmail.org as my domain, but I assume that engages Google talk since that's XMPP.
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[09:32:10] <me> trying to get mah alts in
[09:32:16] <signpostmarv_martin> OH HAI!
[09:32:58] <dahlia> so who is "me" ? my whois thingie isnt working
[09:33:05] <me> me is me
[09:33:22] <me> whut client ya usin ?
[09:33:27] <dahlia> psi
[09:33:42] <me> Pidgin has a context menu > info thing
[09:34:26] <dahlia> it says queries are not allowed in this room
[09:34:51] <me> does the full email address not show up ?
[09:35:03] <dahlia> nope
[09:35:12] <me> it is me@signpostmarv.name :-P
[09:35:20] <dahlia> oh kk
[09:38:21] <Morgaine.Dinova> On "me" it doesn't show up, but you're in under your full nick too.
[09:38:39] <dahlia> what do you see for me?
[09:38:58] <Morgaine.Dinova> Just your name "dahlia"
[09:39:41] <dahlia> oh ok if I hover the cursor some stuff pops up
[09:39:47] <Morgaine.Dinova> And your Info says "Full Name:  Dahlia Trimble", so you're set up fine I think
[09:40:07] <dahlia> does it? 
[09:40:50] <dahlia> oh ok I didnt know I put that there for this account
[09:41:42] <Morgaine.Dinova> Mine seems to be the other way around, which is a bit daft.  My info says "Morgaine", but my in-channel label seems to be taken from my Gmail account, so it's Morgaine.Dinova.
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[10:34:08] <dahlia3390> :D
[10:35:18] <me> ??
[10:36:44] <dahlia> testing pidgen on a different comp ;)
[10:42:04] <Morgaine.Dinova> Hiya 3390 :-)
[10:43:30] <dahlia3390> hiya Morgaine.Dinova 8-)
[10:43:39] <Morgaine.Dinova> Poor Sai, he's having a lot of trouble on his Mac.  It seems to be IM-unfriendly.
[10:43:58] <dahlia3390> jabber is no where as easy as IRC
[10:45:14] <dahlia3390> cant he use pidgin?
[10:46:44] <Morgaine.Dinova> Maybe the slight messiness of IM will keep the unwashed IRC hoards with their server splitting games and user DoS'ing away from here, hopefully :-)
[10:47:39] <dahlia3390> lol
[10:48:31] <dahlia3390> it wouldnt let me in unless I used my account on jabber.org
[10:48:59] <dahlia3390> I tried it with my ejabber server and with gmail, no luck :/
[10:49:01] me is using his own domain
[10:49:15] <dahlia3390> hmmm
[10:49:56] <dahlia3390> has it had any sort of registration or anything? or is it just a server you installed
[10:51:40] <Morgaine.Dinova> I don't actually see how to change my in-chat label here to plain "Morgaine" in pidgin.
[10:52:35] <dahlia> was there a "use alias" anywhere?
[10:53:02] <Morgaine.Dinova> Sure, there's "Local Alias".  But that's set to Morgaine already.
[10:53:16] <dahlia> make a new account
[10:54:01] <Morgaine.Dinova> I can't, I'm Morgaine.Dinova@gmail.com, not Morgaine@ --- it's just taking the account name direct.
[10:54:19] <dahlia> what client are you using?
[10:54:25] <Morgaine.Dinova> pidgin
[10:54:39] <dahlia> add a new account at jabber.org
[10:55:22] <Morgaine.Dinova> I think I have one already actually, but was just wondering to to get this one to work as I want.
[10:55:35] <Morgaine.Dinova> how* to
[10:55:36] <dahlia> dunno
[10:56:06] <Morgaine.Dinova> Lemme see if I can find the jabber.org info
[11:02:40] <dahlia> oh oh jesrad has taken the trollbait :(
[11:02:52] <Morgaine.Dinova> Uh oh
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[11:03:59] <Morgaine.Dinova> Woot!
[11:04:06] <dahlia> lol
[11:04:10] <me> u has cloned urself :P
[11:04:35] <Morgaine> This is my clone through jabber.org
[11:05:14] <Morgaine> Apparently I exist in both forms there.
[11:06:39] <Morgaine> I've just found the "Handle" field in the New Chat setup, maybe I didn't set it when making the ietf.org one.
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[11:07:51] <Morgaine> It can't be set after the event though, looks like I'd have to recreate it.
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[11:10:26] <dahlia> (6) (C) (%) (K) (Z) (X) (8) 
[11:10:37] <dahlia> did those work?
[11:11:45] <Morgaine> 7 diff chars each in parens
[11:12:01] <Morgaine> (11:10:40) dahlia: (6) (C) (%) (K) (Z) (X) (8) 
[11:12:10] <dahlia> they are all special smilies on Psi
[11:12:20] <Morgaine> Ah, not here
[11:12:41] <dahlia> damn... we really need that smilie RFC
[11:13:06] <Morgaine> Typing the smilies by hand as usual works for me, eg. :P
[11:13:20] <Morgaine> That wa ':' 'P'
[11:13:24] <Morgaine> was*
[11:13:43] <dahlia> :-O 
[11:14:23] <dahlia3390> bah pidgin has lame smilies
[11:14:46] <dahlia3390> O:-)
[11:15:00] <Morgaine> Haha
[11:15:28] <Morgaine> :-*:-!:'(:-$
[11:16:42] <dahlia3390> what is that last one, "money talks"?
[11:16:54] <me> put your money where your mouth is ?
[11:17:48] <Morgaine> I guess it's not "whistles" (engineering joke, sine wave :-)
[11:18:02] <me> lol
[11:18:28] <dahlia> :-[ 
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[11:20:52] <Morgaine> Yeah, looks like I simply set up the handle wrong before.
[11:22:35] <Morgaine> OK, dropping the jabber.org one and trying to change the handle on the IETF one.
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[11:24:08] <Morgaine.Dinova> Think I have to leave the room first though.
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[11:25:20] <Morgaine> That's better.
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[11:27:53] <Morgaine> Done it, Dahlia.  So it was just a bad Handle setting in the Gmail-based one.
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[11:32:13] <dahlia> kk you ready to help me test something?
[11:32:42] <me> hrm ?
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[11:34:02] <dahlia3390> ([0]AW Groupies) Morgaine Dinova: Actually some host :-)
[11:34:03] <dahlia3390> ([0]AW Groupies) Asterion Coen: traceroute morgaine.dinova.sl
[11:34:04] <dahlia3390> ([0]AW Groupies) Saijanai Kuhn: well in this case, it would be localhost
[11:34:19] <dahlia3390> ([0]AW Groupies) Morgaine Dinova: traceroute mail.google.com
[11:34:33] <dahlia3390> ([0]AW Groupies) Morgaine Dinova: Why localhost?
[11:34:47] <dahlia3390> ([0]AW Groupies) Saijanai Kuhn: That's what claims the certificate is expried, RTFM, Inc
[11:34:59] <dahlia> hehee it works :D
[11:35:16] <dahlia3390> ([0]AW Groupies) Saijanai Kuhn: traceroute to localhost (127.0.0.1), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets

[11:35:30] <dahlia3390> ([0]AW Groupies) Morgaine Dinova: I think that's merely telling you that you're trying to contact localhost as the jabber server, and it's telling you "don't be funny"
[11:35:47] <dahlia3390> ([0]AW Groupies) Saijanai Kuhn: ah, well I'm getting it with the email client
[11:35:51] <dahlia3390> ([0]AW Groupies) Asterion Coen: (the cd method takes about 10 minutes or so) time u find the reasons of the bug (or else) u will be retired
[11:36:06] <dahlia3390> ([0]AW Groupies) Saijanai Kuhn: only started after I installed adium
[11:36:19] <dahlia3390> ([0]AW Groupies) Asterion Coen: and if u remove it ?
[11:36:29] <dahlia3390> ([0]AW Groupies) Saijanai Kuhn: its a standalone app with no uninstaller
[11:36:43] <dahlia3390> ([0]AW Groupies) Asterion Coen: by removing the directory maybe
[11:36:45] <dahlia3390> ([0]AW Groupies) Morgaine Dinova: Have you rebooted?  (Seems to work for Windows)
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[11:37:09] <dahlia> :D
[11:37:30] <Morgaine> You ate the mouse? ;-)
[11:37:41] <dahlia> lol
[11:57:39] <dahlia> nn all :)
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[12:30:31] <Morgaine> testing
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[16:13:11] <Morgaine> The room kicked you:  it said "(16:12:05) me left the room (This participant is kicked from the room because he sent an error presence: remote-server-not-found)."
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[17:51:20] <Mark McCahill> oh hai
[17:51:23] Morgaine waves
[17:52:30] <Mark McCahill> is  infinity@lindenlab.com still looking for a Jabber client that works?
[17:52:53] <Mark McCahill> adium works on my mac just fine...
[17:53:12] <Morgaine> I think she only reported on hearsay from Sai's problems.
[17:53:31] <Mark McCahill> aha
[17:53:59] <Morgaine> I haven't heard of anyone else having trouble on Macs.  Pidgin supports Mac on X11, but there's no shortage of others.
[17:55:00] <Morgaine> Sai tried Adium last night, but the system fell apart on him.  He's blaming Adium, but I Googled for known problems and didn't find any.
[17:55:38] <Mark McCahill> Adium 1.3.2 works for me
[17:56:42] <Mark McCahill> I think the mmox mail list discussion is starting from the wrong end of the problem - step one in virtual world interop is federated identity and presence
[17:57:07] <Mark McCahill> I guess I better write something about that
[17:57:55] <Morgaine> But that's where OGP started anyway.  It's just not federated yet.
[17:58:35] <Mark McCahill> federated identity that works across technologies would be an quick easy win
[17:58:36] <Morgaine> The only parts of OGP operational now and known to the public are login and TP (part of).
[17:59:09] <Morgaine> So that kind of heads in the direction you mention.
[17:59:10] <Mark McCahill> it would at least allow for chat and figuring out which word your buddies are in
[18:00:21] <Morgaine> John Hurliman is pushing that idea strongly too, with OpenID and OAuth.  Not really my area though.
[18:00:40] <Mark McCahill> OpenID and OAth or SHibboleth or something federated
[18:00:54] <Mark McCahill> and standards based so we are not reinventing wheels
[18:01:14] <Morgaine> I think that's where we're headed, yes.
[18:01:18] <Mark McCahill> XMPP or SIP would also play in this
[18:01:57] <Mark McCahill> these things would get the broadest interoperability between technologies
[18:02:07] <Mark McCahill> even non-virtual world technologies
[18:05:54] <Morgaine> It's one of the problems with SL currently that too many things are coupled together.  IM should be implemented as a separate service (and potentially run by an independent party, or several).
[18:06:37] <Mark McCahill> yup
[18:07:28] <Morgaine> All that VWs need is good integration of external IM into their world, but they should still be no more than clients of that service.
[18:07:47] <Morgaine> Ditto for auth of course.
[18:07:53] <Mark McCahill> right - that is easy to do
[18:08:04] <Mark McCahill> and it gets immediate interoperability wins for everyone
[18:08:29] <Mark McCahill> so it has some hope of bringing non-SL/OpenSim worlds to the table
[18:09:00] <Mark McCahill> trying to get everyone to change their wire protocol seems like a long and difficult road
[18:11:49] <Morgaine> Mah
[18:11:51] <Morgaine> Nah
[18:12:01] <Morgaine> Because it's not a change.
[18:12:08] <Morgaine> It's an addition.
[18:13:16] <Morgaine> And given the fact that LLSD even offers multiple serializations to suit different peoples' toolsets and preferences, it's well set to please.
[18:13:36] <Morgaine> Or at least not displease too much :P
[18:18:32] <Morgaine> Woot, the "mmox" room is active!
[18:20:23] <Mark McCahill> cool - I'm going over there
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[18:47:21] <Morgaine> Hiya Dahlia!  mmox Room is active :-)
[18:47:30] <dahlia> die hard chat lurker?
[18:48:44] <Morgaine> Well broadband means never having to say you're, er, never turning your machines off. :-)
[18:49:55] <dahlia> is the mmox room logged?
[18:50:26] <dahlia> (officially logged)?
[18:50:34] <Morgaine> All rooms are logged, even test
[18:51:02] dahlia waves to posterity 
[18:51:18] <Morgaine> Leave my posterity out of this :D
[18:51:45] <dahlia> it's kinda hard to ignore 
[18:52:26] <Morgaine> Oh, thanks, always nice to have a good friend. ;-)
[18:53:00] <dahlia> :)
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[23:02:11] <meadhbh.siobhan> hmm
[23:02:13] <meadhbh.siobhan> hello?
[23:02:25] <meadhbh.siobhan> ping
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