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[02:02:21] <ivaylo petrov> minutes will be taken here: https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/notes-irtf-106-t2trg
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[02:04:45] <ivaylo petrov> Hello, I will be your jabber scribe. As always, the comments you want relayed to the mic should have "mic:" prefix.
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[02:27:29] <ivaylo petrov> Eric N
[02:27:38] <ivaylo petrov> *Erik
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[02:29:18] <ivaylo petrov> Marie-Jose Montpetit
[02:30:22] <Meetecho> Tell Michael to press the mic icon
[02:30:43] <ivaylo petrov> thanks
[02:31:00] <Meetecho> He can't present slides himself
[02:31:03] <Meetecho> Chairs need to advance them
[02:31:33] <ivaylo petrov> I see, they decided on that in the end, so it's good, thanks again!
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[02:43:10] <mcr> I have a stupid question about this work: are these JSON files something that the vendor would embed into a device, host on their web server, or provide as part of the documentation for the device?   Would a device have a multitude of the files, one for each function, or a single file that explains everything?
[02:43:38] <ivaylo petrov> I guess this is not intended for the mic :)
[02:43:55] <mcr> no, I'm an ignorant person in the room.
[02:44:12] <Michael McCool> my understanding of SDF is that they are more descriptions of classes of devices; TDs are more about instances and have the class info plus instance info, and MIGHT be embedded in the device
[02:44:26] <Michael McCool> I will talk about this shortly... no, not for the mic, not just yet ;)
[02:44:28] <ivaylo petrov> my view is that this is not necessarily on the device, but it would depend
[02:44:53] <ivaylo petrov> ok :D
[02:44:54] <mcr> It feels like it might want to point at a MUD (RFC8520) file, and that a MUD file might want to point at this.
[02:45:27] <Michael McCool> mud is about the network.   These are about the devices.   Sort of exterior.interior distinction
[02:45:31] <Michael McCool> but complementary...
[02:45:52] <mcr> This feels like information that a device *controller* would need/want to absorb in order to figure out stuff, but any way the info gets there is fine.
[02:46:19] <Michael McCool> can discuss in my talk coming up... we discussed this at length in the workshop last friday
[02:46:27] <mcr> MUD is about the network, agreed. I would not suggest merging this into a MUD file, but both MUD and this need to identify the device in question, and cross-references would help.
[02:46:42] <Michael McCool> yes, I agree we should align the standards
[02:46:57] <mcr> yes, that makes sense that you'd talk about this during the MUD time.
[02:47:15] <cabo> Should I bring up the question from an ignorant person in the room?
[02:47:28] <Michael McCool> let's do that at the right point...
[02:59:42] <Michael McCool> I was actually going to ask if anyone has defined a lifecycle... maybe as part of the edge comptuting doc, although it is also an iot issue
[03:01:35] <ivaylo petrov> those were Eve before and now Elliot
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