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[10:59:56] <Meetecho> No hotkey, sorry :(
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[11:01:02] <Brendan Moran> It's turtles all the way down!
[11:01:11] <Hannes Tschofenig> Hi guys, I will be silent most of the time
[11:01:13] <mcr> @Dave Thaler, you can't just project one application window?  
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[11:01:34] <mcr> (don't full screen your slides, just open a pdf viewer)
[11:01:35] <Roman Danyliw> @mcr: it depends on the browser.
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[11:02:42] <Michael Jenkins> I can take local notes and email them to you
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[11:03:46] <David Waltermire> You can access the hackmd notes if you click on "show note taking tool" on tyhe upper right.
[11:04:12] <Jim Schaad> or this link https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-ietf-108-suit?both if you want a separate window
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[11:08:48] <ko-isobe> on that time 2 people (SUIT+teep)
[11:09:35] <Hannes Tschofenig> I did my report in the TEEP session
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[11:11:01] <Hannes Tschofenig> The virtual hackathon was quite a challenge IMHO. Hopefully we can do "real" hackathons in the near future again...
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[11:12:18] <Henk Birkholz> the timing with cu-off was unfortunate
[11:12:45] <ko-isobe> absolutely agree > hannes
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[11:17:01] <Ira McDonald> metadata first - suggestion
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[11:25:57] <Russ Housley> encrypted dependency example seems good
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[11:30:40] <mcr> sadly, I agree with Brendan.
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[11:33:34] <Hannes Tschofenig> I would not start working on v2 any time soon because of the concern Russ raised. In 3-5 years from now I would revisit the SUIT design and take the feedback of implementers input into account.
[11:34:12] <mcr> +1 on Hannes
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[11:35:07] <Øyvind Rønningstad> Can SUIT v1 be based on a draft of packed CBOR? It would make the difference between v1 and v2 smaller...
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[11:37:11] <Henk Birkholz> Øyvind: my assumption is that seems unlikely today, as the "dict" portion of packed cbor will require some dev still. we can revisit this if packed makes a sudden jump forward. or in 3-5 years. it's a bit of guess-work today
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[11:37:55] <Hannes Tschofenig> We have a capability reporting mechanism in TEEP
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[11:38:59] <Henk Birkholz> reports are not only about capabilities, though. maybe that is not relevant to the teep mechanism
[11:39:06] <mcr> manufacturers will know whether they can support packedCBOR, so there is no signalling issue. But intermediate nodes want to audit.
[11:39:19] <mcr> [so, yes, it can be an extension. sorta]
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[11:39:54] <Henk Birkholz> but a capability negotiation... in a sense of feature sets is often very helpful
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[11:40:27] <mcr> yes, but we can't go back and forth for data-at-rest, which must cross air-gap firewalls, and there is nobody to negotiate with: the manufacturer knows up-front.
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[11:41:25] <Henk Birkholz> maybe size is less important in an air-gap scenario? I am starting to guess here a lot... :-)
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[11:58:00] <Alexey Melnikov> IANA is more flexible on new allocations of PENs then their web page says.
[11:58:13] <Alexey Melnikov> But it is worth chatting to IANA about that
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[11:58:37] <Alexey Melnikov> (I used to co-edit a draft on IANA PEN registry with IANA)
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[12:08:40] <mcr> I just sent an email. There might have been a back and forth, and then I got it.
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[12:12:58] <mcr> my email says that I sent a PEN request Dec. 4, 2015, got one Dec. 9.
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[12:16:19] <Jim Schaad> I lost audio out
[12:16:32] <Brendan Moran> We can't hear you
[12:16:35] <Meetecho> Jim Schaad: is the waveform under your name moving?
[12:16:42] <Meetecho> While you talk?
[12:17:27] <Jim Schaad> No joy
[12:17:57] <Meetecho> Jim Schaad: did you try the "reconnect" audio button?
[12:18:00] <Jim Schaad> Can you be in a situation where the same negative number would be used by a vender on two different deices to mean different things?
[12:18:06] <Meetecho> If that doesn't help, refreshing the page might
[12:18:07] <Jim Schaad> meetecho: Yes
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[12:25:11] <Tsukasa OI> Good.
[12:25:13] <Akira Tsukamoto> I like it
[12:25:20] <Hannes Tschofenig> sounds useful
[12:25:30] <Koen Zandberg> Same here, never helped me debugging things :)
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[12:26:16] <Hannes Tschofenig> I agree with Koen
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[12:28:29] <Hannes Tschofenig> The security domain concept is really a TEEP issue rather than a SUIT concept IMHO
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[12:31:38] <Hannes Tschofenig> (FWIW I would even say that security domains is a concept from Global Platform.)
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[12:32:58] <Russ Housley> Less than 10 minutes ...  Still have SUIT+MUD
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[12:43:31] <Henk Birkholz> thx all! this was a good session
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[12:43:43] <Jim Schaad> I am in a different window
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[12:44:16] <Russ Housley> Closing down now ....
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