stir - Thursday, March 26, 2015

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[20:26:59] <Dan York 2> It's *already* recorded and archived on Meetecho, audio streams, etc.
[20:27:06] <eburger> Duh!
[20:27:09] <Paul Kyzivat> Can't they just have the meetecho recording?
[20:27:25] <Dan York 2> Paul Kyzivat: I think they want better video quality   (I would)
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[20:27:43] <Cullen Jennings> They are actually filming with a nice camera
[20:27:49] <ben> They are recording way more of the room than meetecho
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[20:28:05] <Dan York 2> Paul Kyzivat: Meetecho only shows the speakers via a small view.
[20:28:32] <Meetecho> Dan York 2: if you enlarge the window the speakers will enlarge as well
[20:28:35] <Dan York 2> Who are they giving the wine, too?  rbarnes?
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[20:28:44] <eburger> affirmative (Richard B.)
[20:28:46] <Cullen Jennings> Yes as thank you for his work as AD
[20:28:59] <ben> Richard has received a lot of wine this week
[20:29:05] <Cullen Jennings> He looked a bit skeptical about the exact quality of the wine :-)
[20:29:11] <Dan York 2> Thanks... that's what I assumed it was based on the wine earlier in the week
[20:29:30] <ben> The operative term was "fascinating"
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[20:29:46] <ben> The response is displaying with a star wars crawl
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[20:38:37] <Dan York 2> Why not?  :-)
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[20:38:47] <eburger> I missed the music…
[20:39:02] <rbarnes_SCRIBE> someone needs to do some webgl programming to make a star wars scroller web app
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[20:39:34] <rbarnes_SCRIBE> oh, never mind, CSS3 http://blogs.sitepointstatic.com/examples/tech/css3-starwars/index.html
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[20:42:53] <Dan York 2> rbarnes_SCRIBE: Oh, man....  so much potential there... thanks, I think, for sharing. :-)
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[20:48:49] <rbarnes_SCRIBE> http://www.ipv.sx/scroll/rfc4474.html
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[20:49:40] <eburger> Love it!
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[20:54:17] <Paul Kyzivat> mic: this discussion needs to separate the cases where PAI=From and those where it doesn't.
[20:55:00] <rbarnes_SCRIBE> Paul Kyzivat: on it
[20:55:02] <Dan York 2> rbarnes_SCRIBE: fun!
[20:55:05] <rbarnes_SCRIBE> queued
[20:55:17] <Dan York 2> Paul Kyzivat: Good point
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[21:03:07] <Dan York 2> Back at the beginning of STIR, the decision was specifically to NOT get into the name displayed as "Caller ID"
[21:06:56] <Simon Romano> @Dan: don't know whether or not the chairs realized you're in the remote queue...
[21:07:09] <Simon Romano> Ready to grant you the floor, in any case.
[21:07:24] <Dan York 2> Yes, I don't think they do
[21:07:35] <Simon Romano> Do you want to chime in?
[21:07:37] <eburger> Since Dan asked about who was getting the wine, it was obvious.
[21:07:47] <Simon Romano> :-)
[21:07:51] <Dan York 2> :-)
[21:08:00] <Dan York 2> Actually, I do want to ask a question
[21:08:10] <Simon Romano> Let's go!
[21:08:29] <eburger> Your PacMan is bumping!
[21:08:30] <Simon Romano> you have the floor!
[21:08:43] <eburger> Dan, the VOG
[21:08:48] <rbarnes_SCRIBE> dan: back off the mic!
[21:08:50] <eburger> (voice of god)
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[21:10:34] <Dan York 2> Simon Romano: How do I stop my video?
[21:10:37] <Dan York 2> Ah, you did it
[21:10:41] <Simon Romano> I stopped it
[21:10:51] <Simon Romano> But you can do it yourself, in any case.
[21:11:08] <Simon Romano> I removed you from the virtual queue.
[21:11:15] <Dan York 2> Simon Romano: Hmmm... not entirely clear how to do that in the UI
[21:11:18] <Meetecho> yep, just hit the icon that takes the place of the hand (stop sign)
[21:11:21] <Simon Romano> Yo can enter again whenever you see fit.
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[21:12:47] <Dan York 2> rbarnes_SCRIBE: I was just talking to my iMac... and I was a good foot away from the mic.  I'm thinking the remote audio feed is mixed in at too high a level
[21:13:00] <Simon Romano> Yep...
[21:13:12] <Simon Romano> ...we fixed it right after you started talking
[21:13:19] <Dan York 2> :-)
[21:13:25] <Simon Romano> You were the first to inject remote audio...
[21:13:31] <Meetecho> but then again, you were the Voice Of God, so it was a feature, not a bug :)
[21:13:40] <Simon Romano> Next shot should be on target
[21:13:49] <Simon Romano> :-)
[21:13:58] <Dan York 2> Hahaha.... :-)
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[21:15:41] <Dan York 2> Jon's audio level just dropped... but I see from the video that's because he needed to talk with both hands.
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[21:16:11] <rbarnes_SCRIBE> getting to the punchy part of the week
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[21:16:25] <Simon Romano> Discussing his problems :-)
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[21:29:14] <Cullen Jennings> learning how to do some "maths"
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[21:43:12] <rbarnes_SCRIBE> sorry, your lazy scribe is back now
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[21:43:38] <resnick> +1 John. *Voluntary* standards is what we do.
[21:43:53] <resnick> s/John/Jon
[21:48:07] <rbarnes_SCRIBE> color me baffled by eric's argument
[21:48:18] <ben> the chairs can't seen the pacman board
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[21:48:58] <Simon Romano> @Paul: do you want to enter the discussion?
[21:49:22] <Simon Romano> I saw you released your request...
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[21:51:28] <Paul Kyzivat> Eric: with CNIT, it will be important for an enterprise to be able to sign for the display name of the owner of a particular number. So then verifier needs to be able to check that even if the enterprise isn't known to it.
[21:53:00] <resnick> Foot-gun provided
[21:53:44] <eburger> The issue is the other way. Of course, the point of STIR is to have signed numbers [and possibly display names]. My proposition is let’s say an enterprise has a number and signs for it. The number later gets ported. Do we really need to worry about the enterprise still signing for the number? I.e., do we care about revocation on the per-number level? I would offer we don’t. If the enterprise maliciously signed for the number, slap them silly.
[22:01:16] <resnick> @eric: The question is whether there a chance that at some later date the number gets to some bad actor and then they have a number that looks like it was signed earlier and therefore it's still OK, and you're saying that such a case can't happen?
[22:02:02] <eburger> That is not an issue, because the signatures will not work.
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[22:03:06] <eburger> It’s the other way around: a number was held by a bad actor. It gets to a good actor. Bad actor uses number and does a good signing. If we did OCSP, you would know immediately the bad actor can no longer sign for it. Without OCSP, we (ex post) hunt down the bad actor and kill them.
[22:03:24] <eburger> I would offer that to the end user, there is no difference.
[22:04:09] <eburger> BTW, by time limiting the certificates, there is a small (days, weeks) window where bad actor can do bad stuff. By the time the certs expire, they are in jail.
[22:04:50] <eburger> Saves ALL of this work that is very complex, likely to introduce security errors, and introduce unacceptable delays into the user experience.
[22:08:24] <rbarnes_SCRIBE> eburger: you're talking about reactive security.  ISTM that if we can get something proactive, it would be better
[22:09:08] <rbarnes_SCRIBE> yes, it's good if we can smack the CLEC after the voicemail hack, but it would be better if the hack didn't happen in the first place
[22:09:28] <eburger> I agree in principal it would be better to be proactive. However, if it makes it so complex to implement and (if we have MB-sized certs) a drain on ‘phone’ resources, it can come out and would make for a much more solid, secure protocol.
[22:12:18] <rbarnes_SCRIBE> eburger: the OCSP extension is pretty simple, and is a gateway out of the MB certs
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[22:13:54] <eburger> Really? For example, if we are stapling the “it’s good” notice, generated by the bad actor, does that get us any closer to being proactive.
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[22:15:52] <rbarnes_SCRIBE> eburger: the stapling bit needs to get figured out, but it's tractable.  even without stapling, the overhead is not tragic
[22:15:59] <rbarnes_SCRIBE> couple 100 ms latency
[22:16:10] <rbarnes_SCRIBE> it's not like this is for the web :)
[22:16:37] <Paul Kyzivat> Cullen: spoken by the poster boy for not responding to email. :-)
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[22:17:15] <Simon Romano> We're done!
[22:17:19] <Dan York 2> Thanks
[22:17:19] <Simon Romano> Goodbye guys...
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[22:17:34] <Simon Romano> See you ghosts on line :-)
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