[08:50:02] Tobia joins the room [08:51:07] Simon Romano joins the room [08:55:14] Olle E. Johansson joins the room [08:56:09] Good morning folks! We are still trying to get settled here in the room. [08:57:54] Our agenda can be found at http://tools.ietf.org/wg/stir/agenda [08:59:07] tsuichi joins the room [09:00:33] Dan York joins the room [09:00:39] The chairs are starting the meting [09:00:40] Slide 1: STIR [09:00:44] Dan York has set the subject to: STIR at IETF89 [09:00:45] Slide 2: Note Well [09:01:26] Slide 3: Agenda [09:01:30] The Note Well applies to remote participation too. Take notice. [09:02:37] First document: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jennings-stir-rfc4474bis-01 [09:03:42] Presentation stopped [09:04:06] Slide 1: rfc4474bis-01 [09:04:10] Slide 2: First principles (again) [09:04:17] Slides jsut got uploaded http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/89/slides/slides-89-stir-1.pdf [09:04:27] N S joins the room [09:04:36] Arrrggh. No slide numbers on the slides. [09:04:58] Anyone in the chat room that is not in London? [09:05:03] Cullen Jennings joins the room [09:05:12] jjrh joins the room [09:07:17] Melinda joins the room [09:07:28] Interruption to say thank you to Gonzalo Camarillo - our previous AD [09:07:40] Slide 3: Recap [09:08:01] Thought I should mention I'm remote participating. [09:08:15] Thanks and welcome. [09:08:21] Is the audio ok? [09:08:24] hi jjrh, FYI a Meetecho session is available at http://www.meetecho.com/ietf89/stir [09:10:35] The room is slowly filling up [09:12:22] Jon is speaking in EKR speed. Can someone remove the coffee from him? [09:12:33] :) [09:13:18] Slide 4: Credential Systems (5.4) [09:13:31] Current presenter: Peterson [09:13:32] Slide 4: Credential Systems (5.4) [09:14:04] Justin Hornosty joins the room [09:14:04] Do we need a URI scheme for DANE? [09:14:40] sean.turner@jabber.psg.com joins the room [09:14:57] Thanks, Olle, for Jabber-scribing. (And yes, I'm in the room, 2 seats directly behind you.) [09:15:08] If you have a question for the speaker, plesae prefix your statement with "mike:" [09:15:12] Hi Dan! [09:15:37] Sean Turner speaking. [09:16:09] Jon back in control [09:16:19] Robert Sparks speaking [09:16:22] olshansky@jabber.isoc.org joins the room [09:17:13] Brian Rosen speaking [09:18:17] Need to figure out how this applies to DANE [09:18:51] ??? speaking [09:19:12] Max [09:20:35] Steve Kent speaking [09:21:14] Raffaele D'Albenzio joins the room [09:21:52] Brian Rosen heading for the mike [09:22:23] Brian wants everyone to do the same thing. No negotiation of credential schemes. [09:23:24] Joe Hall joins the room [09:23:53] Slide 5: Credentials [09:23:59] sean.turner@jabber.psg.com leaves the room [09:24:13] Slide 6: Canonicalization [09:25:29] (Cullen moves the mic up to the front of the room where he and Brian are sitting) [09:25:55] Brian Rosen spaking [09:27:54] Cullen Jennings [09:29:07] Richard Barned without AD hat on. [09:29:21] Olle E. Johansson have still not seen the famous AD hat. Does it have feathers? [09:30:47] sean.turner@jabber.psg.com joins the room [09:31:48] Hadriel Kaplan in line at the mike. Richard still talking. [09:34:36] =JeffH joins the room [09:36:17] Eric Rescorla at mike [09:37:06] In Sweden, Telia has set a standard for carrier SIP trunking, so they will decide the format regardless of what this group decides... [09:37:12] "Every other security protocol where we have tried this has been a debacle." - great EKR quote :-) [09:38:10] Oh no, we're back to user interfaces… [09:39:05] although if the UI is phone ring or not, that's a good place to be IMO [09:39:07] The From: needs to match whatever I have in my address book… [09:39:36] Jabber scribe note: If you want me to relay something to the room, please prefix with "mike:" [09:40:30] Is this a talking speed race or what! [09:40:36] =JeffH leaves the room [09:40:37] Please slow 'em down a bit... [09:40:44] =JeffH joins the room [09:40:55] very hard with our dear EKR [09:41:16] I tried and got an evil stare. [09:41:27] Olle just gave EKR a "slow down" wave [09:42:01] Hannes Tshofenig at mike [09:43:24] Hadriel Kaplan (again) - lost his track of thought, but speaking anyway [09:44:23] We do have local service-provider-specific phone numbers in Sweden. No country prefix at all. [09:44:57] Cullen Jennings at mic [09:46:02] Cullen warns that this is a rathole. [09:47:11] Hadriel Kaplan again [09:47:32] for remote participants: a Meetecho session is available at http://www.meetecho.com/ietf89/stir [09:48:00] Dirk-Willem van Gulik joins the room [09:48:11] A synchronized view of the official jabber room, the current slides being presented, a shared note taking editor and an audio/video stream from the room is made available [09:49:09] …and it's way cool! Use MeetEcho if possible to participate remotely! [09:49:51] "We are confusing what's on the wire with what the systems understand" - Hadriel Kaplan [09:49:55] Thanks Olle! [09:50:20] Brian Rosen [09:50:20] sean.turner@jabber.psg.com leaves the room [09:51:04] "+1911" should work - local service numbers should accept a country code prefix" - Brian Rosen [09:51:05] Slide 7: Open Issues [09:51:49] =JeffH leaves the room [09:51:56] =JeffH joins the room [09:52:40] Dirk-Willem van Gulik 2 joins the room [09:53:41] Hadriel Kaplan speaking at mik [09:53:45] mike [09:54:21] Dirk-Willem van Gulik 2 leaves the room [09:54:36] Dirk-Willem van Gulik leaves the room [09:55:22] Jonathan Lennox joins the room [09:56:30] Hadriel Kaplan at mike [09:59:22] Cullen Jennings leaves the room [10:00:29] Next document to be discussed: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-peterson-stir-certificates [10:00:46] eburger joins the room [10:01:25] Cullen Jennings joins the room [10:01:39] Presentation stopped [10:02:10] http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/89/slides/slides-89-stir-3.pdf [10:02:16] Slide 1: Cer$ficates  for  STIR   [10:02:20] Sean Turner presenting [10:03:03] Slide 3: Enrollment [10:03:31] Slide 4: Certificates for ranges [10:03:41] Brian Rosen at mike [10:03:56] "We assumed one CA per country" [10:04:02] for discovery [10:04:06] Cullen Jennings speaking [10:04:28] Does it matter at this point? [10:04:43] (Agree with Cullen, unless people argue it) [10:04:48] Steve Kent BBN [10:05:01] Jon Petersen [10:06:05] Slide 5: Telephone # Extension [10:06:13] Warning: ASN.1 on the screen [10:06:48] Jon Petersen speaking [10:07:33] =JeffH leaves the room [10:07:56] Slide 6: Verifer Credential Acquisition [10:08:22] Steve Kent BBN speaking [10:09:07] =JeffH joins the room [10:09:49] Slide 7: Expiry,  Revoca$on  and  Rollov [10:10:27] Eric Burger joins the room [10:10:42] Jon Peterson speaking [10:11:24] Steve Kent again [10:11:25] Eric Burger leaves the room [10:12:32] Brian Rosen spoke : "WE NEED IT" [10:12:48] Hadriel Kaplan: "I think this system is doomed, it just won't scale" [10:13:31] If past performance is an indicator of future behavior, you DO need to worry about company A taking customers from company V. [10:14:23] eburger: very true [10:14:24] Steve Kent speaking [10:15:07] olshansky@jabber.isoc.org leaves the room [10:15:21] Slide 8: Open  Issue:  Private  Key   [10:15:54] Jon Peterson [10:16:27] Brian Rosen at mic [10:17:06] Slide 9: Opne Issue: Public or... [10:17:43] Jon Peterson speaking [10:19:24] Alex Bobotek - AT&T [10:19:29] Don’t forget, there are close to 3,000 service providers in the U.S. alone. Tens in the UK. Tens in India. Cannot assume there are just three service providers that count! [10:19:46] Over 500 in Sweden ,a country of 9 million people [10:20:01] Might want to mention that at the Mic. [10:20:28] Slide 10: Open Issue: Partial Delelgation [10:21:06] Brian Rosen speaking [10:21:14] We’ve done well in the past with transitive trust [booooo] [10:21:22] Slide 11: Open issue: Ranges by Reference [10:21:26] (sarcasm) [10:21:41] Jon Petrson [10:22:38] A URL with a TLS certificate that needs to be checked, validated and OSCP-checked [10:22:50] How many seconds are we willing to wait for call completion? [10:23:13] Slide 12: BACKUP [10:23:18] Will AT&T rely on BT delivering the dereferenced data in a reasonable amount of time? [10:23:27] Presentation stopped [10:24:11] Slide 1: M3AAWG Voice and Telephony Abuse SIG Kic [10:24:14] Slide 2: What is M3AAWG and What Does it Do? 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