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[00:00:10] <Ben (Scribe)> Leif Johanson
[00:00:25] <Ben (Scribe)> Richard Barnes
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[00:01:23] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: Additional Protection (1)
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[00:04:31] <Ben (Scribe)> Sanjay
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[00:09:38] <Ben (Scribe)> Dave Crocker
[00:11:44] <Ben (Scribe)> Jon Peterson
[00:12:13] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: Additional Protection (2)
[00:13:52] <Ben (Scribe)> Paul Kizivat
[00:14:24] <Ben (Scribe)> Eric Rescorla
[00:15:18] <Ben (Scribe)> Hadriel
[00:16:43] <Ben (Scribe)> Chair (Robert)
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[00:20:18] <Ben (Scribe)> Hum Opportunity
[00:20:43] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: Canonicalization (1)
[00:21:16] <Ben (Scribe)> Jon
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[00:22:12] <Ben (Scribe)> Jon
[00:23:17] <Ben (Scribe)> Richard
[00:23:25] <Ben (Scribe)> cullen
[00:23:34] <Eric Burger> And us in the chat room!
[00:23:52] <Ben (Scribe)> Richard
[00:24:07] <Ben (Scribe)> (Eric B: is there something that needs to go to mike?)
[00:24:23] <Ben (Scribe)> Hadriel
[00:24:30] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 8: Canonicalization (2)
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[00:25:04] <Eric Burger> nah
[00:25:14] <Eric Burger> thanks for offering, though!
[00:25:17] <Ben (Scribe)> ekr
[00:25:21] <Eric Burger> I'll let you know.
[00:26:17] <Ben (Scribe)> richard
[00:26:33] <Ben (Scribe)> Steve
[00:26:51] <richard.barnes> if i were writing code, i would much rather do comparison than canonicalization
[00:26:55] <Ben (Scribe)> Brian Rosen from floor: What does use mean?
[00:27:07] <Ben (Scribe)> Jon, then Cullen
[00:27:42] <Ben (Scribe)> Jon from floor: What happens in deployment worlkd is a different problem
[00:27:50] <Ben (Scribe)> Martin Dolly
[00:29:35] <Ben (Scribe)> ekr
[00:29:54] <Ben (Scribe)> martin
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[00:30:44] <Ben (Scribe)> oops on martin
[00:30:52] <Ben (Scribe)> Richard
[00:31:11] <Ben (Scribe)> jon
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[00:31:42] <Ben (Scribe)> now Martin
[00:32:09] <Ben (Scribe)> Hadriel
[00:33:18] <Ben (Scribe)> Keith Drage
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[00:34:41] <Eric Burger> It's *tonight* for me!
[00:34:50] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 9: Just TNs, or other URIs?
[00:35:43] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 10: Replacing RFC4474
[00:36:29] <Eric Burger> Mic: Does anyone implement 4474? Does anyone care?
[00:36:43] <Eric Burger> (I can wait)
[00:37:08] <Ben (Scribe)> Jon P, Rohan
[00:37:10] <Eric Burger> :-)
[00:37:16] <Eric Burger> I think I paid for that ;-)
[00:37:32] <Lorenzo Miniero> Presentation stopped
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[00:37:42] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: STIR Credentials
[00:37:46] <Lorenzo Miniero> Current presenter: Jon Peterson
[00:37:48] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: STIR Credentials
[00:37:51] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: Requirements Discussion
[00:38:08] <Ben (Scribe)> random floor banter
[00:38:33] <Eric Burger> it was unintelligible over Meetecho
[00:38:46] <Ben (Scribe)> It was mostly unintelligible in the room
[00:38:56] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: Enrollment
[00:39:22] <Ben (Scribe)> Richard approaches the mike…
[00:39:53] <Ben (Scribe)> Richard leaves the mike...
[00:40:05] <Ben (Scribe)> Wait, he's back
[00:40:10] <Eric Burger> But, did he approach delegate-ly? ;)
[00:40:37] <Ben (Scribe)> SEan Turner
[00:40:47] <Ben (Scribe)> wait it's richard
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[00:42:23] <Ben (Scribe)> Cullen
[00:42:33] <Eric Burger> Mic: I think (and only think, not know), the FCC, OFCOM, et al. will impose the answer here, irrespective of whatever we would like to do.
[00:42:54] <Eric Burger> We should be asking them...
[00:43:01] <sean.turner@jabber.psg.com> yeah I backed off the PoP question got answered by Jon
[00:43:04] <Ben (Scribe)> im in line behind cullen and martin
[00:43:09] <Eric Burger> thx
[00:43:22] <Ben (Scribe)> martin
[00:45:15] <Ben (Scribe)> me channeling eric burger
[00:45:44] <Eric Burger> Doctor Burger, to you
[00:45:53] <Ben (Scribe)> ekr
[00:46:03] <Eric Burger> So, given that, I agree with Richard, why are we talking about this?
[00:46:34] <Ben (Scribe)> Eric, mike?
[00:46:51] <Eric Burger> If this dies a natural death, no. But if we keep ratholing, yes.
[00:46:58] <Ben (Scribe)> tell me when...
[00:47:14] <Eric Burger> Sean will jump in, I'm sure.
[00:47:19] <sean.turner@jabber.psg.com> did we have the discussion about the dialer last time?
[00:47:59] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: Req: Delegation
[00:48:13] <Eric Burger> phew -- dodged that bullet!
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[00:50:28] <Ben (Scribe)> Leif
[00:52:04] <Ben (Scribe)> mike line growing...
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[00:53:20] <sean.turner@jabber.psg.com> btw that's leif johansson who asked about oauth
[00:53:37] <Ben (Scribe)> Richard: LEts get proposal on list
[00:53:41] <Ben (Scribe)> Dave Crocker
[00:54:09] <Eric Burger> just shocked!
[00:54:15] <Eric Burger> DKIM is the hammer!
[00:54:23] <Eric Burger> And everything is a nail!
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[00:54:58] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: Req: Credentials for Ranges
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[00:56:22] <Ben (Scribe)> Martin at mike
[00:57:04] <Ben (Scribe)> Martin
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[00:59:25] <Ben (Scribe)> Chris
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[01:02:11] <Ben (Scribe)> Robert Sparks
[01:02:50] <Ben (Scribe)> Hadriel, then back to Robert
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[01:05:25] <Eric Burger> "What's needed is DKIM" -- Dave Crocker
[01:05:36] <Eric Burger> (NO, don't take that to the Mic ;-)
[01:06:08] <Ben (Scribe)> For the record, Dave did not actually say that this time :-)
[01:06:48] <Ben (Scribe)> Chris?
[01:07:27] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: Expiry, Revocation and Rollover
[01:08:32] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: Signer Provisioning
[01:09:53] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 8: Verifier Credential Acquisition
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[01:12:04] <richard.barnes> vcard extension!
[01:12:21] <Ben (Scribe)> Hadriel
[01:13:13] <Ben (Scribe)> richard is stalking the mike
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[01:13:35] <Ben (Scribe)> richard
[01:13:53] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 9: Which credentials do verifiers need?
[01:13:55] <Ben (Scribe)> Chair 7 min left
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[01:14:16] <richard.barnes> it's important to stalk carefully so that the mic doesn't see you coming
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[01:15:49] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 10: Public or Confidential Database?
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[01:18:10] <Ben (Scribe)> I missed that name
[01:18:34] <Lorenzo Miniero> Presentation stopped
[01:18:57] <Eric Burger> YAY!!!!
[01:19:01] <Ben (Scribe)> Hadriel presenting. Slide has animated gif of a strikout
[01:19:04] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: draft-kaplan-stir-ikes-out-00
[01:19:13] <Lorenzo Miniero> this slide was animated, so you're missing out :)
[01:19:17] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: The Problem(s)
[01:19:22] <Lorenzo Miniero> Current presenter: Hadriel Kaplan
[01:19:23] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: The Problem(s)
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[01:22:15] <Lorenzo Miniero> Presentation stopped
[01:22:16] <Ben (Scribe)> Meeting adjourned
[01:22:20] <Eric Burger> Thanks Ben!!!!
[01:22:28] <Ben (Scribe)> np :-)
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