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[07:35:23] <Eduard V> everything fine
[07:35:23] <Kireeti Kompella> there is sound
[07:35:34] <Cheng Li> fine here
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[07:36:07] <John Scudder> also note whether "audio in" at the bottom of the window has some reasonable bit rate (mine says 16 kbps at the moment)
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[07:36:14] <Joel Halpern> @Daniel some folks have found that using the reconnect button in the lower right helps.  Some folks have found that switching browser helps.
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[07:38:49] <Meetecho> Daniel Voyer: audio working now? From the stats I see the channel up and sending you media (as it seemed it was doing before)
[07:39:11] <Tom Hill> It's working here. I think I can hear Joel breathing ;D
[07:39:17] <Meetecho> :)
[07:39:27] <Andrew Alston> *blink* achieved that?
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[07:39:34] <Andrew Alston> say what?
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[07:40:08] <Joel Halpern> @Tom I will try to move the microphone a little further from my mouth.
[07:40:25] <Tom Hill> It's reassuring quality audio tbf
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[07:41:02] <Tom Hill> Change approved
[07:41:28] <Daniel Voyer> ok fixed, I had to leave and come back
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[07:41:52] <Andrew Alston> Wait - thats a direct contradiction - the presenter stated that the design document was done - then he said - we hope to do this sometime in december
[07:41:55] <Jeff Tantsura> Sounds like a song :)
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[07:49:55] <Kireeti Kompella> @jgs: your 28.8 modem is clipping
[07:50:04] <John Scudder> huh?
[07:50:08] <Kireeti Kompella> my audio in is 28kpbs
[07:50:12] <John Scudder> ah
[07:50:20] <John Scudder> +1 to Greg
[07:50:27] <Andrew Alston> This is correct - and IF this is purely SR based - can the working group chairs please us if they consider solutions outside of SRv6 entirely out of scope of spring
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[07:50:42] <John Scudder> ^
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[07:51:21] <John Scudder> Jim, the title of the document is "Compressed SRv6 SID List Requirements". It seems rather prejudicial.
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[07:51:34] <Andrew Alston> +1 John
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[07:51:38] <Kireeti Kompella> is the doc title "Compressed SRv6 SID List Requirements"?
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[07:51:46] <Kireeti Kompella> ah, thanks, john
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[07:52:25] <Kireeti Kompella> in the agenda, it's described as "SR over IPv6 Compression Requirements"
[07:52:39] <John Scudder> Exactly.
[07:52:46] <Kireeti Kompella> that would have been better, especially if the content followed suit
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[07:54:42] <Mach Chen> Given it's about "Compress", so far, seems only SRv6 List needs to be compressed. Are there other list or header need to be compressed?
[07:54:57] <Tom Hill> Might it be wise to close the queue?
[07:55:04] <Kireeti Kompella> then why have a dt?
[07:55:05] <Tom Hill> Otherwise we'll never get to the next presentation
[07:55:12] <Éric Vyncke> @Tom +1
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[07:56:58] <Joel Halpern> @Tom I hear you.
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[07:57:34] <Tom Hill> :)
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[07:59:09] <Kireeti Kompella> Abstract says "This document specifies requirements for solutions to compress SRv6
   SID lists."  talk about prejudiced.
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[08:00:11] <Darren Dukes> If there was no SRv6 SID list to be long then what are we compressing Kireeti?
[08:00:11] <Bob Hinden> The red and green are backward on this slide
[08:00:27] <Bob Hinden> Green should be agreed
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[08:01:18] <Joel Halpern> @Bob and color blind folks cant tell them apart anyway.
[08:01:34] <Mach Chen> :-)
[08:01:50] <Bob Hinden> :-)
[08:02:07] <Jeff Tantsura> Were they different colors???
[08:03:00] <Cheng Li> the goal is to compress the SRv6 SID list,but the solution can be a SRv6 based or not, I think we do allow this in the req document
[08:03:01] <Kireeti Kompella> red = blood split to get agreement; green = hiding in the forest
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[08:03:51] <Tom Hill> BIERv6? :)
[08:04:09] <Andrew Alston> Actually - the use of the term srv6 implies the use of the SRH - and it takes everything outside of srv6 entirely out of scope of this work
[08:04:19] <Kireeti Kompella> +1
[08:04:41] <Eduard V> When some people are asking for IPv6 against SRv6 analysis: is it about to delete IPv6 tunneling (RFC 2473)? (that is the mandatory part of SRv6)
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[08:04:50] <John Scudder> I thought it was notable that the chair took pains to correct himself when he said "SRv6". He corrected himself to "SR over IPv6".
[08:05:09] <Andrew Alston> John except - slide after slide - that is now what this presentation says
[08:05:30] <Bob Hinden> SRv6 is not SR over IPv6, it is in IPv6.
[08:05:31] <John Scudder> Right, the chairs and the DT appear to be singing from different hymnals.
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[08:06:50] <Darren Dukes> SR over IPv6 is called SRv6 - see RFC8402, if you read all the document and not just the first page you'll see that the text in the appendix explicitly calls out the goals for building requirements for the currently defined standards and new Control plane an dataplane instantiations.
[08:07:00] <Ketan Talaulikar> I get the impression that until now all slides have unanimous consensus within the DT.  So I don't follow some of the comments.
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[08:07:55] <Andrew Alston> heh - I will let the DT members comment on that - because thats not what they are aying to me
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[08:07:56] <Cheng Li> +1
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[08:08:08] <Cheng Li> the slide has been reviewed by all the members
[08:08:20] <Liu Aihua> +1
[08:08:49] <Daniel Voyer> Ketan, I agree you. I don't understand the rational of the comments - if we trust the DT and there seems to have a consensus
[08:09:12] <Cheng Li> it is nearly impossible to publish a slide without consensus, you know,, tough meeting each time.
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[08:09:24] <Andrew Alston> Considering that the DT has already had a member of the team walk off the design team - is a very clear and public statement - its easy to get consensus when people have gotten so frustrated that they have walked away
[08:09:30] <Darren Dukes> The DT does have consensus on requirements outside the Appendix.  But this is a draft, so will evolve.  Within the Appendix we have the vast majority of the DT agreeing with these.
[08:09:46] <Daniel Voyer> but its 3am here and I didnt have my coffee yet, I might be slow ;:-)
[08:10:00] <Andrew Alston> https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6727986023575498752/
[08:10:08] <Liu Aihua> @Daniel Yes, we should trust the DT
[08:10:12] <Éric Vyncke> @Dan: Coffee over IPv10 ?
[08:10:16] <Ketan Talaulikar> I hear about that. Was that "my way or the highway" kind of thing ?
[08:10:33] <Darren Dukes> Andrew please read Sanders first email on why he resigned, he had no time for this work.  Please let him speak for himself
[08:11:19] <adrianfarrel> I wonder if the problem is with the concentric circles figure. Could it be that SRv6 is a subset of the solution that allows compression, rather than the other way round? That is SRv6 is the compressed solution with compression set to "none"
[08:11:39] <Kireeti Kompella> +1
[08:12:16] <Ketan Talaulikar> @adrian so you prefer there be no solution for compression for SRv6 but another mechanism that is only doing compression but nothing else ?
[08:12:32] <adrianfarrel> Not what I said
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[08:12:46] <Ketan Talaulikar> ok. Thanks @adrian - just clarifying :-)
[08:12:59] <adrianfarrel> The SID stack that shows 32 and 128 bit SIDs is an example of what I said
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[08:16:52] <Ketan Talaulikar> yeah, i can imagine. 3 geographies with spread out timezones! So many meetings that I see. Thanks to the entire DT for your efforts to discuss and generate consensus!
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[08:20:22] <Satoru Matsushima> +1 to Wim.
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[08:21:12] <Zafar Ali> Please note that the WG asked design team to "If the design team has insights into the number of solutions:
are several already standardized?
is there value in picking one / some?"
[08:21:14] <John Scudder> I hear that you say you have consensus. I am saying I disagree with your consensus.
[08:21:57] <adrianfarrel> To rephrase what I said: what if "regular SRv6" is a special case of "compression"?
[08:22:01] <Joel Halpern> @Zafar the chairs intention was that such recommendation would be AFTER the requirements, not before.
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[08:22:30] <John Scudder> D.PRS flies in the face of common sense. Common sense is often wrong, but I'm not prepared to throw it away without a good reason. None has been given in the document.
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[08:22:51] <Ketan Talaulikar> +1 @joel - I believe the analysis work yet to happen within the DT
[08:22:57] <John Scudder> By the way, I'm not sure what the implications of Adrian's observation would end up being, but I like it.
[08:23:07] <Zafar Ali> The Appendix has requirement from the operators.
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[08:25:28] <Ketan Talaulikar> I think the illustration for heterogenous SID list might be misleading for some. But I believe some operators gave their reasons for it on the list and on the mike here. So I would take those as the more "real" and practical inputs to the DT.
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[08:27:16] <Zafar Ali> there are at least five solutions, and most of them have running code.
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[08:29:22] <Daniel Voyer> anything can be develop and have running code. but here, we are talking about standards and it should be define and used against what's standardize or working group adopted to the least
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[08:29:34] <Daniam Henriques> Out of the several solutions and associated requirements, I do wonder if the most general case (as Chen mentioned) was assessed.
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[08:29:45] <Erik Kline> I don't quite understand why summarization is a requirement, and not simply an observable/measurable property of some potential solutions (and not others)
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[08:30:50] <Zafar Ali> @Dan +1. Also there is a difference in running a lab network and having 30 commercial deployments.
[08:31:00] <Kireeti Kompella> @martin: would dhcp be a solution to managing SID assignment?
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[08:31:46] <Kireeti Kompella> (applies to sr mpls, crh and usid)
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[08:33:41] <daniel.bernier@bell.ca> bye all
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[08:33:49] <Cheng Li> bye
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[08:34:29] <Martin Horneffer> @Kireeti: DHCP? not really. I'm thinking about a composition of many (large) network domains, and the effort to sync number resources between the related organizational unit.
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