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[05:06:03] <dhruvdhody> working here
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[05:07:08] <Ahmed Bashandy> I think it would  have been a good idea to move some of the presentations today to Friday so that we have more time for discussions
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[05:07:53] <John Scudder> As a reminder the audio reconnect button is in the lower-right corner (circle of two arrows).
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[05:09:39] <Joel Halpern> @Ahmed, the chairs thought about that.  We wanted to focus the second session on what is clearly a very important topic for the WG and appears to be very contentious.  We are not happy with having to keep the time tight.  And having to reject some slot requests.
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[05:10:33] <Joel Halpern> @Ahmed, one alternative we could consider is to only give time to documents that have had significant on-list discussion (along the lines v6ops uses).  I would prefer not to get that restrictive.  But your point that we should be trying to give time for discussions is very valid.
[05:10:35] <Bruno Decraene> @Ahmed also Friday is one hour only.
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[05:12:02] <Joel Halpern> Argg.  My incoming audio drops out regularly.  Reconnects, but then drops.
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[05:13:00] <Joel Halpern> Ahh.  I think I found the cause of the audio drops.  Probably fixed it.
[05:13:43] <Joel Halpern> @meetecho the problem was the already known problem.
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[05:14:00] <Meetecho> Oh the misbehaving router?
[05:14:02] <Joel Halpern> @meetecho I had left the wifi on on my phone, so tethering was not avoiding the filters.
[05:14:09] <Joel Halpern> @meetecho yes
[05:14:32] <Meetecho> Did you find what those filters were eventually?
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[05:15:00] <Meetecho> Could you let us know, privately if you want, what router is causing this? Just to see if other people might be affected and ask them if they're using the same
[05:15:27] <Joel Halpern> @meeetecho no, for various reasons I do not have visibility, just using a path to avoid them.  I do not actually know the model or configuration.  
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[05:16:37] <Joel Halpern> @meetecho what is weird is that some sessions work fine through the filters, and others do not.   Much too hard to diagnose, which is why I am not sending any tickets.  I really aprpeciate all your support.  Good luck avoiding repeats of the migration problem yesterday.
[05:16:56] <Meetecho> Thanks for the updates!
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[05:20:11] <dhruvdhody> In the PCE WG, for dynamic association-ID and operator-configured association-ID together we opted for operator to set aside a block. RFC 8697. Just FYI.
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[05:20:53] <Jeff Tantsura> Preferably on the list
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[05:24:26] <Andrew Stone> @tarek do you envision the need for a block-defined per node or a global reserved block ?  is the primary need for enforcing "do not steer" or to avoid collisions? Could encoding "do not steer" in a bit within the color be a middle ground?
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[05:25:39] <dhruvdhody> yes
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[05:25:40] <John Scudder> I do.
[05:25:41] <Bruno Decraene> yes I do
[05:25:42] <Andrew Stone> yes
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[05:25:59] <John Scudder> If you aren't, you might want to disconnect/reconnect the video.
[05:26:14] <John Scudder> Grey controls in upper left-hand side.
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[05:26:59] <Martin Horneffer> thanks!
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[05:30:35] <Ketan Talaulikar> Correct. When in doubt - reset (stop/start)! applies for both audio/video ;-)
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[05:53:39] <Andrew Stone> slide just dropped
[05:53:44] <John Scudder> I just lost the video feed.
[05:54:01] <Ketan Talaulikar> this seems definitely meetecho issue?
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[05:54:21] <John Scudder> Sure looks like it. There isn't even the video controller gadget to try to disconnect/reconnect.
[05:54:22] <Tom Hill> Or we lost Jim
[05:54:23] <Danyang Chen> I can not see the slide
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[05:54:25] <Meetecho> Checking
[05:54:41] <Cheng Li> can not see the slide
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[05:55:30] <Meetecho> Looks like who was sharing the slides lost connectivity? We don't see any screen stream active right now
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[05:55:40] <John Scudder> Yeah, he confirmed that on the audio.
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[05:56:35] <Joel Halpern> You should be able to see the slides again.  
[05:56:44] <Joel Halpern> All three chairs have connectivity issues.
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[05:57:01] <John Scudder> How many network engineers, etc etc
[05:57:45] <Jeff Tantsura> 3
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[05:58:03] <John Scudder> Not really much of a punchline.
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[06:01:11] <Tony Li> Network engineers aren't really funny.
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[06:13:39] <John Scudder> @tli well not deliberately anyway
[06:13:44] <Jared Mauch> [i recommend everyone start their own telco to get better connectivity at home]
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[06:16:02] <Tom Hill> See, still not funny
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[06:26:56] <Greg Mirsky> I don't think that the IPPM WG discussed applicability of the measurement and collection methods specified by the WG.
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[06:40:25] <Zafar Ali> Greg, what I meant that the question has greater scope then the draft on agenda and should be discussed within the IPPM.
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[06:42:47] <dhruvdhody> +1 to jeff
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[06:48:08] <Yimin Shen> Jeff, we want to bud SIDs to be routable, so that we can minimize/reduce the length of SID list (which will be pushed to packets)
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[06:52:57] <Jeff Tantsura> Thanks Yimin, that’s what I thought. Please consider how it would interact with entropy machinery. Elegant idea, I like it!
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[06:56:56] <Andrew Alston> Jared or just get whatever telco you work for to drop a coupla 10gigs into your house ;p that was my solution
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[06:57:31] <Jeff Tantsura> Yimin - MSD limitations are there, please include a section on how PCE would use it and references.
[06:58:00] <Jared Mauch> the 2nd 10G is almost here :-)  then i can play with SR to pick egress at home
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[06:58:54] <Jeff Tantsura> @Jared - you are digging as we talk ;-)
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[06:59:25] <Jared Mauch> it's dark here, but I did splice fiber in the past 12h :-)
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[07:00:06] <Andrew Alston> @jared haha Im just waiting for optics and Im taking my 10gig's to 100g's - for the sole reason that I can haha
[07:00:07] <Jeff Tantsura> I would not expect any less of you!
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[07:00:46] <dhruvdhody> Yimin - Adding to what Jeff said. we need to describe the control plane SR policy handling as well (which i assume would be P2MP), only the path might be a single SID List in the data plane. I am also interested in understanding the algorithm changes to CSPF for this!
[07:01:03] <Tom Hill> @Andrew - you'll overtake NeilZ!
[07:01:10] <Tom Hill> He's only on 40G
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[07:01:48] <Andrew Alston> :) so am I - but at the moment its 4 x 10 instead of 4 x 100 Im taking it to ;p
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[07:02:04] <Boris Khasanov> +1 for Dhruv comment about SR Policy
[07:02:06] <Andrew Alston> :) see kenya doesnt operate on smoke signals
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[07:02:12] <Tom Hill> \o/
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[07:02:16] <Jared Mauch> lets talk in gather.town about access :-)
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