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[10:56:30] <Joel Halpern> Folks, if you are trying to test your audio, at least let us know in the chat that is why you are requesting the queue.
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[10:57:39] <Andrew Alston> hrm - can someone send some audio so we can see that we can hear prooperly :)
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[10:58:05] <Andrew Alston> Got it :) thanks
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[10:59:08] <Andrew Alston> I was wandering around gather town  which looks like heros quest/kings quest - just with no ability to throw fireballs at people :(
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[11:00:05] <Dhruv Dhody (Jabber)> If you would like to test your meetecho audio/video setup, do it here - https://gce.conf.meetecho.com/conference/?group=prova
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[11:00:26] <Dhruv Dhody> yes
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[11:01:19] <Andrew Alston> JUst to confirm if you dont join the audio queue you are muted by default right?
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[11:03:31] <Dhruv Dhody (Jabber)> @andrew - yes
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[11:05:18] <Éric Vyncke> But you can speak any time even w/o joining the queue... just beware on the 'mike' icon you click on ;-)
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[11:05:40] <Dhruv Dhody (Jabber)> Thanks Rob and welcome Jim n Joel!
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[11:25:10] <Himanshu Shah> my mic did not work
[11:25:15] <Andrew Alston> personally on the policy thing - the faster it goes into last call the better - because having it finalized prevents major changes that could impact code work being done it for implementations
[11:25:17] <Himanshu Shah> Comment for Ketan -
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[11:25:22] <Ketan Talaulikar> any idea how one gets off the mike ? ;-)
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[11:26:06] <Cheng Li> I mute my mic
[11:26:19] <Himanshu Shah> Is it possible to make a CP designated as backup explicitly so that one or more CPs can be programmed in the protection group of the data plane??
[11:26:35] <Ketan Talaulikar> i did that ... but i want to get back on my couch ;-)
[11:26:37] <Dhruv Dhody (Jabber)> click on the same button you used to join the queue
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[11:27:27] <Andrew Alston> Just a clarification - trying to access the list archive says that it is only available to list members
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[11:27:58] <Ketan Talaulikar> @himanshu, yes. Can you please check section 9.3 and we can connect further on/off-list ?
[11:28:26] <Ketan Talaulikar> @dhruv ... that didn't work for me.
[11:28:37] <Éric Vyncke> @Andrew: you need to log in with your datatracker account
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[11:28:47] <Ketan Talaulikar> +1 to @Andrew the archive seems members only
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[11:29:10] <Éric Vyncke> Once logged in with Datatracker account, I have access to the archive (that it empty right now BTW)
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[11:29:13] <Andrew Alston> ok let me try that - because on the main list page it explicitly says only avialble to list members
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[11:29:53] <Éric Vyncke> @Andrew my bad...
[11:30:10] <Éric Vyncke> Loging via DataTracker does not help :-(
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[11:31:36] <Éric Vyncke> I like the description+rationale+metric approach
[11:31:38] <Darren Dukes> @Andrew @Éric - there is not much discussion on that list yet but it's good to know the non-team members cannot access it.  We can ask to have that fixed.
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[11:32:30] <jhaas@jabb3r.org> Note that private lists for design teams are an acceptable practice in IETF.  You'll have to check the intent.  The membership of the team and its findings MUST be public.  
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[11:34:22] <Himanshu Shah> @ketan - OK. I will check again and get back to you. just so that we are clear, I want to support N:1 protection group using candidate paths
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[11:38:04] <Ketan Talaulikar> @Himanshu, I believe we have it covered in that section and do provide your feedback
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[12:08:29] <Jeffrey Haas> Also, stating your name for the audio streams makes it easier for the chairs to reconstruct minutes.
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[12:10:16] <Ketan Talaulikar> @Meetecho - if anyone from meetecho team is on this chat. When we are disconnected and reconnect, we seem to lose the previous chat/jabber context.
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[12:11:26] <Jeffrey Haas> Note on the meetecho controls on the top left of the screen: If you've clicked on a control (they are red), clicking them again will take you out of the queue (green)
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[12:12:19] <Bruno Decraene> Yimin Shen, are you in the room?
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[12:12:24] <Jeffrey Haas> You can see your queue status by clicking on the participants tab (currently showing 180 people)
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[12:12:39] <Bruno Decraene> Should we keep time for you?
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[12:13:35] <Jared Mauch> I am very happy with this experience btw, only thing that is odd is the tool tips are in a fixed location and it took me a moment to realize that.  There's other minor nits but very impressed in the updated tooling :-)
[12:13:41] <Bruno Decraene> Thanks Jeff. Double checking before reallocating the time to Rakesh.
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[12:14:50] <alex-Meetecho> Ketan Talaulikar: we're aware of the jabber issue. It's being investigated. Apologies for the inconvenience
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[12:16:00] <Ketan Talaulikar> @alex-Meetecho, no issues. Absolutely great idea to integrate jabber into meetecho chat !
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[12:23:47] <Thomas Graf> draft-gandhi-spring-sr-enhanced-plm: Are the STAMP/TWAMP light probes being orchestrated/data collected with netconf-yang by the controller?
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[12:24:17] <Jeffrey Haas> In support of Greg's point, these mechanisms are opportunistic.
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[12:25:55] <Ketan Talaulikar> This is very similar to SBFD for liveness. The reflector doesn't maintain session state.
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[12:27:13] <Jeffrey Haas> I agree, Ketan. Greg needs to look at chat. :-)
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[12:29:26] <Mach Chen> In my understanding, it just borrow the TWAMP light/STAMP test packet formats, acctrually, it has no relationship with the TWAMP/STAMP
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[12:30:45] <Zhaohui Zhang> Sorry my audio does not seem to working
[12:31:02] <Zhaohui Zhang> I was trying to say that I can present the chain replication at the very end
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[12:31:38] <Joel Halpern> Speaking as just a WG member, I generally find borrowing protocol formats but changing the behavior to be problematic.
[12:31:43] <Andrew Alston> :) nothing is ever free
[12:31:45] <Andrew Alston> lol
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[12:33:16] <Jeffrey Haas> It sometimes works out well, Joel, when done wisely.  PCEP borrowing BGP flowspec with slight tweaks, e.g.
[12:33:24] <Himanshu Shah> @rakesh/Greg - by liveliness check - if intention is to use it as birth certificate, then fine that suites well. As greg mentioned, I do not see this as a replacement to BFD based connectivity check
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[12:36:18] <Ketan Talaulikar> Consider that one is doing performance monitoring using TWAMP, if the same helps in liveness monitoring as well then that is simplification IMHO.
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[12:38:30] <Jeffrey Haas> The liveness monitoring is incidental in the sense that BFD and similar OAM mechanisms intend.
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[12:40:33] <dhruvdhody> I love how the meetecho closes the session on its own
[12:40:54] <jhaas@jabb3r.org> Feedback for next virtual meeting, Dhruv. :-)
[12:41:30] <dhruvdhody> throwing everyone out of the jabber room was my fave thing today :)
[12:41:39] <Meetecho> dhruvdhody: actually we don't close anything automatically, we wait for an active "close the room" command
[12:41:53] <Meetecho> If that didn't happen properly we'll have to look into it, sorry about that!
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[12:42:08] <Meetecho> Maybe the chair closed the session by mistake?
[12:42:49] <Darren Dukes> It appears keeping Jabber in a separate client is a good best practice for this IETF.
[12:43:03] <jhaas@jabb3r.org> Indeed, Darren. :-)
[12:43:19] <jhaas@jabb3r.org> Minimally so you don't lose chat if your meetecho session bounces
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[12:51:26] <dhruvdhody> some times bugs feels like features :)
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