[21:12:24] thomson joins the room [21:12:51] thomson is now known as Tomasz Mrugalski [22:01:51] evyncke joins the room [22:02:26] evyncke leaves the room: Disconnected. [22:03:34] Mark Townsley joins the room [22:07:28] Paul Selkirk joins the room [22:10:46] Ole Troan joins the room [22:13:08] dhankins joins the room [22:13:16] tetsuya.innami joins the room [22:13:26] Bonjour from Paris all. [22:13:28] [Sofwire WG Agenda being read] [22:13:39] acassen joins the room [22:13:42] morita joins the room [22:13:57] [Ole Tran, draft-ietf-v6ops-rd] [22:15:37] Dan Wing joins the room [22:15:45] evyncke joins the room [22:18:41] fdupont joins the room [22:19:54] Question about PRL option MUST be included in DHCP. [22:20:34] It was on the list... This is just the CPE saying "I support the 6rd option, please send if you have it" [22:21:35] Remi - this is only a DHCP option detail. [22:22:34] Alain [22:22:35] wait [22:22:39] what are the next steps? [22:22:56] [Sebastian presenting GI-DS-LITE] [22:23:10] ok, that was fast. [22:23:24] I should have gone to sleep ;-) [22:23:25] Actually Frank Brockners [22:23:48] Sorry, failed to catch his name in his intro. [22:24:17] acassen leaves the room [22:27:06] [No one at the microhpone] [22:27:36] [Alain: 3GPP very interested in this work at the interim meeting. Any objections as WG item?] [22:27:47] [No objections, will confirm on mailing list.] [22:28:21] [Gregory: Now that it's likely a WG item, are we creating too many solutions?] [22:29:34] [Frank: Statement that it's fair, if we can narrow down the number of options, I would agree.] [22:30:03] [Alain: Deprecate or make others optional?] [22:30:16] I would be wonderful to have one tunneling protocol in the world. Each time someone tries to build a tunneling protocol to be the one and only tunneling protocols for everything, inevitably we end up with N+1 tunneling protocols. [22:30:23] s/I/It [22:31:10] When we had this issue in the past, we at least identified one MUST Implement, and then let the others be optional. But that's even difficult to pull off. [22:31:23] dhankins didn't catch the name at the mic. [22:32:05] dudisaki joins the room [22:32:38] [unk speaker: What's the scope for the shared address?] [22:33:18] [Alain: Can we take this to the mailing list?] [22:33:31] [Dave Thaler heading to mic] [22:33:40] satoru.matsushima joins the room [22:33:57] Dan Wing leaves the room [22:33:58] [Alain speaking] [22:35:19] [Dave Thaler presenting Port-Forwarding APIs] [22:39:59] Very interesting, but it's late here and I'm off to sleep. Good night all. Enjoy the rest of the IETF! [22:40:03] Mark Townsley leaves the room [22:41:27] nmm joins the room [22:44:21] [Martin: I don't fully understand the point of this presentation?] [22:44:45] [D.Thaler: To what extent do these protocols get better as a result of the new Port Control Protocol?] [22:45:08] [Dan Wing presenting Port Control Protocol (PCP)] [22:45:41] evyncke leaves the room: Replaced by new connection. [22:45:42] evyncke joins the room [22:45:42] Dave Thaler joins the room [22:46:13] S7365468EEE7F6 joins the room [22:46:19] evyncke leaves the room: Disconnected. [22:46:25] evyncke joins the room [22:47:27] tsavo_work@jabber.org/Meebo joins the room [22:47:37] tsavo_work@jabber.org/Meebo leaves the room [22:50:25] [Greg: When it asks for zero it's going to work, when it asks for a specific port and it gets it, how often will that actually happen?] [22:50:50] [Alain: Actually applications might try port N, then try N+1, N+2, until it actually gets it.] [22:51:34] [D.Thaler: I mentioned there are ways to misuse the existing API's, for example there are some that try random ports to try and get the first available.] [22:52:12] Ole Troan leaves the room: Disconnected. [22:52:15] Tina TSOU joins the room [22:52:18] [Back to Dan Wing presenting.] [22:56:12] [D.Thaler analysing mapping old protocols to PCP] [22:59:10] [Greg: I want to caution against the word 'kludgey'.] [23:00:10] [Andrei(?): I wonder about 'No NAT44 (fixed port range).] [23:01:12] Ole Troan joins the room [23:01:13] [Smau (?): What hapens if you have multiple layers of nat?] [23:02:20] [Dan: There can be additional layers of NAT inbetween the PCP client and server, so the discovery mechanism needs to take this into account.] [23:02:37] Shane Amante joins the room [23:03:19] [Stuart: I have not implemented this, but I've thought about it, and my intuition is that I see no reason why recursive layering won't work.] [23:04:59] satoru.matsushima leaves the room [23:06:22] [Varble: Applicability on the A+P architecture you're delegating to the CPE? [23:06:38] Shane Amante leaves the room [23:07:32] [Alain: PCP vs DHCP, the DHCP server may not be in the right place, PCP might not be in the path, so you have a message problem that is a little hard.] [23:07:37] akira.nkgw joins the room [23:07:56] [Stuart Cheshire: Implemented NAT-PMP, we need and explicit lifetime.] [23:08:02] tetsuya.innami leaves the room [23:08:22] evyncke leaves the room: Replaced by new connection. [23:08:25] evyncke joins the room [23:08:38] evyncke leaves the room [23:09:11] [Martin speaking] [23:09:50] ikuhei joins the room [23:09:53] [Paul(?): You said the protocol fits the scenario of stateless NAT, but to his knowledge the client of stateless NAT does not require port allocation?] [23:10:19] morita leaves the room [23:10:21] ikuhei leaves the room [23:10:29] [Dan: The point is to have an API where the client doesn't have to know what environment it's in, and can get an answer it can use.] [23:10:59] [Alain: Is there interest in the WG for studying further this idea of giving control to the application?] [23:11:12] Ole Troan leaves the room: Disconnected. [23:11:19] Ole Troan joins the room [23:11:24] Ole Troan leaves the room: Disconnected. [23:11:30] [Alain: strong interest. Who thinks that what is described here is ag eneral goodd reiction? A little bit less, but quite a lot of hands.] [23:11:47] [Alain: Would people object if we were to adopt this as a WG item? A couple hands.] [23:12:12] [Alain: More hands for WG item. We'll take this to the AD's.] [23:12:20] fdupont leaves the room [23:12:23] nmm leaves the room [23:12:26] [Alain: Thank you very much, see you all in Maastricht.] [23:12:33] dudisaki leaves the room [23:12:59] S7365468EEE7F6 leaves the room [23:13:05] akira.nkgw leaves the room [23:14:00] dhankins leaves the room [23:14:07] Tomasz Mrugalski leaves the room [23:23:51] Dave Thaler leaves the room [23:29:12] evyncke joins the room [23:42:00] evyncke leaves the room: Replaced by new connection. [23:42:01] evyncke joins the room [23:42:55] Paul Selkirk leaves the room [23:46:06] evyncke leaves the room: Replaced by new connection. [23:46:07] evyncke joins the room [23:52:29] evyncke leaves the room: Replaced by new connection. [23:52:29] evyncke joins the room [23:54:36] Dave Thaler joins the room [23:55:40] evyncke leaves the room: Replaced by new connection. [23:55:40] evyncke joins the room