[00:03:54] lion joins the room [00:05:12] Mark on mic [00:05:13] levigner joins the room [00:06:32] (FWIW - like 3 hands went up ... then a few more ... being punted to (some) ML, with load balancing overlapping with softwire) [00:08:20] Tunnel Endpoints in BGP (Paul F.) Draft @ http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-xu-idr-tunnel-00.txt Slides @ ? [00:09:38] ASHIDA-X61 joins the room [00:15:00] lion leaves the room: Computer went to sleep [00:16:30] Mark @ mic [00:18:24] lion joins the room [00:18:24] Next presentation ... DS-lite draft (Ralph) Draft @ http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-durand-softwire-dual-stack-lite-01.txt Slides @ http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/slides/softwire-5.pdf [00:19:05] Yeah! Slides! [00:19:24] (Slide 2) [00:22:14] (Slide 3) [00:24:00] (Slide 5) [00:24:03] [hand] [00:24:31] (lots of hands went up as is) [00:24:48] (Slide 6) [00:25:04] (Slide 7) [00:25:50] Q&A [00:26:02] James @ mic [00:27:21] Eric @ mic [00:28:25] Was that Teemu commenting? [00:28:32] Iljitsch @ mic [00:29:01] Yes, we all know iljitsch ;-) [00:30:40] No 6to4 encapsulates! [00:31:23] (So ... humor me for a sec ... this is effectively automatic IPv4 over IPv6 tunneling, with private IPv4 source address ... and using a CGN (now LSN?) to decap+xlate instead of a relay to decap ... yes?) [00:31:47] Yes, I think that's right. [00:31:56] semi-automatic [00:32:06] But 6to4 is full auto [00:32:19] it has to be configured. it's not like terredo or 6to4 where the server is a well known anycast address. [00:32:23] (which causes most of its problems) [00:32:55] Chair capped line, and I missed this speaker's anme ... [00:33:15] Dave @ mic [00:33:31] prev speaker Jinmei Tatsuya [00:33:38] Thx [00:36:24] Exodus joins the room [00:36:37] Jari [00:39:48] (Just off the top of my head : my dual-stack capable host gets just IPv6 from upstream ... what if we just define an anycast IPv6 address, call it a 4to6 relay perhaps, and the host tunnels fake-IPv4 (APIPA perhaps?) in IPv6 to the relay ... the relay could decap+translate to it's v4 address (becomes stateful, but no triangle routing) ... but I digress ... ) [00:40:22] Next presentation ... A+P (Randy) Draft @ http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ymbk-aplusp-01.txt Slides @ ... not same as before? [00:41:35] Not CGN ... not LSN ... now new term - MSN - Medium to Large scale NAT ... [00:41:49] :) [00:42:12] MSN routers eh :) [00:42:36] ... might be a (TM) proglem there ... [00:42:46] erp, problem [00:46:26] arifumi joins the room [00:51:29] Stuart @ mic [00:52:49] jinmei joins the room [00:53:22] Eric (or Erik?) @ Mic [00:53:31] my linksys lets me do that... [00:54:06] James @ mic [00:56:35] ... loss of port randomization space concerns ..James, Randy, Alain ... [00:57:01] e [00:57:15] Next presentation ... SAM (Remy) Draft @ http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-despres-sam-01.txt Slides @ http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/slides/softwire-3.ppt [00:58:33] (Slide 2) [00:58:47] ooh, slides [01:00:15] slide 3? [01:00:25] (Slide 3) ... wow, almost every slide is animated ... this might take a bit [01:00:33] ;) [01:00:50] fortunately, openoffice strips the animations. a benefit of remote participation. [01:01:17] @DH - they typically only show up in slideshow mode anyway ... [01:01:53] (Slide 4) [01:03:50] (Slide 5) [01:05:17] (Slide 6) [01:06:06] ((... title should be SAM Internet Address Mapping ... SAM I AM ... :) )) [01:06:42] green eggs and sam? [01:06:56] (Slide 7) ... --> 8 now [01:07:09] yeah next he needs a Statless _Port_ and Address Mapping... [01:07:13] kanda leaves the room [01:07:20] *bing* [01:08:36] this is not a 12.675 minute talk [01:08:53] (Slide 9) [01:08:54] slide 8 out of 22 [01:08:59] perhaps 126.75m [01:08:59] err, 9 [01:09:52] ... that's why I commented on the animations - each "step" is a talking point ... multiplying the effective slide count [01:10:32] ... and the topic is "involved" ... not saying it doesn't need the extra tlaking time, just that it should have been allocated more (or scoped down) [01:11:04] (Slide 10) .... skip ... skip ... skip ... skip ... (Slide 19) [01:11:15] (Or 20) [01:11:28] security, 20 [01:12:09] (Slide 21) [01:13:09] Quick Q: Does SAM require DHCPv6? Is that viewed as an impediment? (for the Jabber room, not the real room) [01:13:33] Next presentation ... DHCP tunnel end point option (Mark) Draft @ http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-dhankins-softwire-tunnel-option-01.txt Slides @ http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/slides/softwire-1.pdf [01:13:42] try to get them down to only 12.625 minutes each? :) [01:14:04] ... give or take .002 ... [01:14:18] <-- David Hankins [01:14:22] (Slide 2) [01:14:49] (Slide 3) [01:15:25] ? [01:15:42] (Laughing was at a reminder that popped on screen ... ISC dinner in 15m) [01:15:48] hehe [01:15:50] Mark's reminder to go to dinner in 15min briefly interrupted his slide [01:16:00] (Slide 4) [01:16:19] Dave @ mic [01:16:22] I'd say at this stage I'm soliciting unsolved requirements. [01:17:00] Is that true of the CGN's use VRRP? [01:17:05] s/of/if/ [01:17:34] (Missed speaker's name) [01:17:43] Paul Selkirk (ISC) [01:18:46] Thx [01:19:25] @dhankins: if your question is to me, then maybe not. Point is to be flexible in what solutions are possible [01:19:37] Chair calls for consensus (or, for any opposition) [01:19:43] if you have distribued CGNs you might not be able to use VRRP [01:19:49] Next presentation ... NAT-PMP proxy (James W.) idea to extend draft-cheshire-nat-pmp-03 Draft @ http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/slides/softwire-2.pdf Slides @ ? [01:20:26] That's true, I'm thinking from a mentality where I look at the CGN's as routers, and I always have pairs of those on customer faces. [01:20:43] other tunnel clients use hostnames today in many implementations (VPN, Teredo, 6to4, ISATAP, etc) [01:20:57] so hostname would also be ok instead of a list (don't care) [01:21:03] Um, wait ... that isn't right ... I had that backwards ... [01:21:44] ... James' slides propose extending --> http://tools.ietf.org/html?draft=draft-cheshire-nat-pmp-03 [01:21:58] (Slide 2) [01:23:05] (Slide 4) [01:25:24] Um, sorry - I skipped 3 ... James did not ... (Slide 3 is correct until right now ... --> 4) [01:26:40] (Slide 5) [01:27:49] ((Chair hits the FF button)) [01:28:04] (Slide 6) [01:28:10] the animations actually slow down the presentation [01:28:36] (Slide 7) [01:29:00] @DT - they always do ... I am opposed to them in almost all cases ... (not all, but close) [01:29:14] ... although they are twinkly and pretty ... [01:29:22] yah [01:29:53] James references --> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-woodyatt-spnatpmp-appl-01 [01:30:24] (Slide 8) [01:30:45] that's authentication NOT authorization [01:30:58] Iljitsch @ mic [01:31:58] James now references --> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-woodyatt-ald-03 ... Application Listener Discovery [01:32:25] (Missed speaker's name) [01:32:32] Now Magnus ... [01:32:44] last speaker was stuart cheshire [01:32:54] Thx [01:33:02] Next presentation ... port restricted IPv4 addresses (Gabor) Draft @ http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-bajko-v6ops-port-restricted-ipaddr-assign-02.txt Slides @ http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/slides/softwire-4.pdf [01:33:17] the computer is hungry, it wants ISC dinner NOW [01:33:35] you know, ISC dinner is way better than MSFT dinner [01:33:38] (Slide 3) [01:33:55] dhankins looks innocent. [01:34:12] ... I think they should both invite everyone and let us call for a vote on quality ... [01:34:16] (Slide 6) [01:35:15] ... was choice of 2002:: intentional? [01:35:19] no one complains about ISC dinner quality because the diners are all made cooks [01:35:31] (Slide 8) [01:37:01] (Slide 9) [01:37:06] (Slide 10) [01:37:31] (Slide 11) [01:37:50] Q&A [01:38:35] jinmei leaves the room [01:38:40] lion leaves the room: Computer went to sleep [01:38:51] ylee leaves the room [01:39:14] Randy @ mic [01:39:23] DThaler leaves the room: Replaced by new connection [01:39:25] Thanks for the jabbering! [01:39:25] DThaler joins the room [01:39:34] ... right on! 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