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[05:02:36] 2 topics - requirements and metadata [05:02:38] Eric Rescorla joins the room [05:02:43] No audio [05:02:44] As long as they aren't difficult ;-) [05:02:50] I got audio [05:02:57] audio is good for me [05:03:03] pilot error [05:03:20] Paul presenting on Requirements draft [05:04:39] We can't hear Paul if he is talking [05:04:53] tomkri joins the room [05:04:58] He is talking now [05:05:05] can not heart [05:05:10] hear [05:05:13] can't hear [05:05:30] Gonzalo joins the room [05:05:35] burn joins the room [05:05:39] Checking mic now [05:05:44] no [05:05:49] Now it is on [05:05:56] yep [05:05:59] yes!!! [05:06:01] much better [05:06:02] we hear you now [05:06:05] Slide 2 [05:06:10] yes [05:06:19] Slide 3 [05:06:36] Slide 4 now [05:07:09] Slide 5 Pause Resume issue [05:07:11] tony_sun joins the room [05:08:00] that wording came from the list [05:08:11] from Dave Smith [05:08:31] Slide 6 on Auth [05:08:53] paul does not appear to be speaking into the mic [05:09:08] Can't hear him? [05:09:16] audio is ok [05:09:46] hard and where there was someone else other than John and could neot hear thema at all [05:09:51] Can hear Eric loud and clear [05:10:51] I am totally confused at this point [05:11:25] about? [05:11:31] I can hear Eric just fine. [05:11:48] Uh, sorry, not effecigve to have the discution this way so ignore me [05:11:51] So, there was a huge break after Eric said that. [05:12:14] We have told speakers to talk closer to the microphones... hope that resolves the issue [05:12:17] John is talking right now. can you hear him? [05:12:22] he is summarizing the issue [05:13:13] (yes audio for john was clear) [05:13:28] No objection to removing this requirement [05:13:34] Slide 7 Privacy scope [05:16:27] so we did not hear anything of who was speaking between John [05:16:45] audio at mics not working [05:16:55] John and paul okay [05:16:58] Alissa said she agrees with not sending GEOPRIV rules in SIPIRC [05:17:12] can't hear Alissa [05:17:15] yes, we know about the mic problem -- trying to get the roaming mic working in the background [05:17:22] Room mic is being fixed, hopefully [05:17:35] thx [05:17:37] Slide 8 [05:17:45] Privacy - indicate recording reason [05:17:48] LauraLiess joins the room [05:18:03] alyssa tries again with a better mic [05:18:14] mic works [05:18:46] Oh wow - we can actually hear Alissa [05:18:48] what would specify the purpose? [05:19:22] is this something like a Reason header? a free-form text? [05:22:43] Rosen, Brian leaves the room [05:24:24] that's correct ! [05:24:32] Hadriel Kaplan joins the room [05:24:46] Are you guys nuts? What deployed [05:24:55] SIP UA will display this to the user? [05:24:56] LauraLiess leaves the room: Computer ging in den Schlaf-Modus [05:25:27] this should be in media, and not in a spec from the IETF [05:26:00] hadriel, i tend to agree -- this is an app-level issue, not a protocol-level issue [05:26:21] completely agree with Hadriel [05:26:29] Thanks Hariel! [05:26:56] Mic: When we complete this topic - could someone clarify removal of Req-50: are we saying that a random unauthorized SRS can contact a SRC and initiate a recording? Or are we saying it is OK for the SRC to not check it is talking to an an authorized SRS and instead just send the RS to a some random attacker int he network masquerading as a an SRS. [05:27:07] Don't need this requiremet [05:29:42] OK - so I don't think you guys have a clear idea on what you mean by authorization here but jabber is not a way to do this. We should resolve on list [05:30:00] Slide 9 [05:30:25] Agree with Cullen that there might be different (mis)interpretatios of authorization [05:31:22] What Paul described as Authentication sounded like what I think of Authorization [05:31:42] Mic: If notification is not used, then this is wiretap in my mind [05:32:48] agree with cullen as well, there seems to be a confusion with the difference between authentication and authorization [05:32:50] Mic: Agencies that don't want you to know you're being recorded won't obey the protocol [05:36:33] Rosen, Brian joins the room [05:37:32] victor.pascual.avila joins the room [05:38:53] Mic: I believe your charter requires notifications of the people being recorded which is typically both [05:43:11] Slide 10 [05:45:01] Ken - any guidance on this slide? [05:45:02] Mic: The point of this is to explain that the very generic security requirement has been expanded into a number of requirements and new sections [05:45:04] Jonathan Lennox joins the room [05:45:28] and that we need to continue to refine these [05:45:29] Slide 11 [05:45:50] Any guidance on this slide? [05:46:04] Mic: we need to develop these requirements [05:46:10] poll for input [05:46:20] if not here then we will follow up on the list [05:46:22] haha [05:46:25] Could we get Ken connected in via SKype [05:47:56] Mic: this is precisely the type of intput we're looking for. This slide was to solicit input and then we will follow up on the list. Main point was to highlight that this is an area of additional work required, since there are so many variations of how to record conferences. [05:50:31] burn leaves the room [05:50:31] Yes, I wanted to have the refer, so that the media came from the conference and the metadata came from he who requested the conference [05:50:57] sorry "he who requested the recording" [05:51:45] I will send text on that requirement [05:52:21] Slide 12 [05:59:40] Mic: I suggest we leave it to solution phase [05:59:49] SLide 13 [05:59:52] Slide 14 [06:01:50] Paul finished [06:01:59] Next topic - Metadata [06:02:19] Ram presenting [06:02:32] Slide 1 [06:02:41] Slide 2 [06:03:07] Can you hear Ram? [06:03:17] verily [06:03:25] no [06:03:26] negative [06:03:40] its okay [06:03:40] Now? [06:04:04] Slide 3, I think [06:04:50] Slide 3 [06:05:16] Slide 4 [06:05:32] Slide 5 [06:05:57] eckelcu joins the room [06:08:38] Alissa Cooper joins the room [06:09:51] Ben said "nefarious" [06:10:51] tony_sun leaves the room [06:11:20] tony_sun joins the room [06:11:42] Slide 6 [06:11:55] Slide 7 [06:14:48] Slide 8 [06:16:31] Slide 9 [06:20:59] Slide 10 [06:23:14] Slide 11 [06:27:08] Slide 12 [06:27:40] can no longer hear paul [06:28:15] Can you hear Peter? [06:28:19] yep [06:28:23] we can hear peter [06:30:11] Slide 13 [06:34:21] Slide 14 [06:35:13] danburnett2000 joins the room [06:39:57] I don't think that is right. You "jump" to the previous iframe and then compute up to any frame you want [06:40:45] Slide 15 [06:41:16] not for mic: Brian - sounds hard to find that I frame with VIPr - I like the privacy properties [06:41:51] not for mic: I think there needs to be a requirement to record the ICE STUN messages ;) [06:43:27] RjS joins the room [06:45:38] not for mic - yes, it would. That stream wasn't made for recording! [06:46:27] not for mic - ViPr is the telepresence system I designed at Marconi. It had no iframes. [06:47:09] Slide `6 [06:47:14] Slide 16 [06:47:58] Slide 17 [06:48:00] not for mic - it did have the characteristic that every block was refreshed in a couple of seconds, so you could jump to somewhere in the stream several seconds early and play forward to get a full frame, and then incremental to the desired frame. [06:48:00] Next Steps [06:50:21] RjS leaves the room [06:52:08] danburnett2000 leaves the room [06:52:46] Presentation finished [06:54:36] Session ended [06:54:36] Hadriel Kaplan leaves the room [06:54:44] Except for Hadriel [06:55:03] well, this time he went to the mic ;-) [06:55:12] ;-) [06:56:07] Once again , I agree with Hadriel [06:56:30] RjS joins the room [06:57:38] Session ended. [06:57:45] Not quite yet - Gonzalo [06:57:47] mlm.michael.miller leaves the room [06:58:18] mlm.michael.miller joins the room [06:58:37] Session ended. [06:58:39] Mic: why not use WebEx [06:58:51] It;s been tried repeatedly [06:58:52] alan.b.johnston leaves the room [06:58:57] tony_sun leaves the room [06:58:58] it has not worked well [06:59:09] the room audio is very hard to get to work right [06:59:15] hmm [06:59:37] room audio is always a problem, i agree [06:59:50] I keep thinking this is a solved problem but it apparently isn't [06:59:54] mlm.michael.miller leaves the room [07:00:12] mlm.michael.miller joins the room [07:00:15] Esp because we have to deal with the venue room audio system, whatever it is [07:00:36] and whatever support we have for it [07:00:43] which is usually pretty thin [07:01:06] eckelcu leaves the room [07:01:06] Jonathan Lennox leaves the room [07:01:23] well thanks everyone! see you next time... [07:01:28] so long! 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