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[03:39:42] <fluffy> Ok on to sipping-toip-01 presnetation
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[03:40:30] <fluffy> If anyone is interested in knowing something in particular, let me know and I will try to make sure I provide that info
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[03:42:48] <muonzoo> -02 expected in 2 wks
[03:43:26] <muonzoo> Dean : will -02 be WGLC ready?
[03:43:30] <fluffy> I think the prese can be summariized as no open issues
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[03:45:10] <fluffy> moving on to config framework
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[03:49:57] <fluffy> Issue , should policy be in the dtaset or sepreate document from it
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[03:56:59] <muonzoo> JRosen : very concerned about complexity introduced by dealing with merging
[03:57:11] <muonzoo> Henning : at this for 2 year-- if not longer -- not closer to deploying.
[03:57:45] <muonzoo> Henning : unless there is a strong indication that there is a problem , we should defer solving merging until some time in the future
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[03:59:28] <muonzoo> Dan replies : It was here in SIPPING that we determined the requirement for 4 profiles; hence the need for merging.
[04:00:38] <muonzoo> Fran├žois Audet : Disagrees that the information must be centralized. A mechanism that prohibits the local storage / non centralized is not good.
[04:02:47] <muonzoo> Rohan : Merging model is inherent. Real requirement. Proprietary solutions today already implement merging rules. Presence is a complete disaster in this regard. Configuration is slightly different since device can decide concretely what to do. ... in favor of keeping it databased.
[04:03:40] <muonzoo> Mary : need merging. systems out there already with multi-source data. can be simplified, but we'll need some sort of merging from day 1
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[04:04:57] <muonzoo> Cullen Jennings : of the opinion that you can structure your schema to make this easier, not harder. since it is about mergin things to one device -- it is slightly easier and subtly different. S
[04:05:26] <muonzoo> Dan Petrie (stage) : Can be made simple as long as we are careful with the specific property sets.
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[04:05:54] * muonzoo is anyone here not physically in Havane?
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[04:11:55] <muonzoo> JR : (summarized by rohan) merging out of scope (consider this) of the document and do it later
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[04:12:37] <muonzoo> rohan : proposes that we discuss the benefits of merging vis some use cases to see where we are at vs. where we want to be
[04:13:16] <muonzoo> jason fischl : nobody can implement this now
[04:14:01] <muonzoo> jr : not blocked / clarification -- go to one configuration server, grab my config -- merging is not important for this use case
[04:14:43] <muonzoo> something that will allow people to these things , now.
[04:15:05] <muonzoo> rohan : possible with existing framework -- perhaps text is not clear enough
[04:19:30] * muonzoo watches the chairs murmur
[04:19:57] <muonzoo> For the record: Take up with AD for scope and charter concerns.
[04:20:24] <muonzoo> ( Process issues that need to be dealt with prior to asking WG if they want to make it an item. )
[04:20:55] <muonzoo> Cullen : Asks what the issue is ... (allison not here to comment)
[04:21:08] <muonzoo> Rohan : hum if you think this is in scope and good thing to do.
[04:21:13] <muonzoo> General concensus
[04:21:30] <muonzoo> Rohan - herfp
[04:21:45] <muonzoo> HERFP
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