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[08:57:00] <RjS> anybody on this that's not in the room?
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[08:59:28] <RjS> hey fluffy - nobody here that's not in the room
[08:59:33] <RjS> (or at least they aren't responding)
[08:59:43] <fluffy> what room is the right one
[08:59:49] <RjS> hrmmm
[08:59:54] <fluffy> just a sec
[08:59:55] <RjS> this is sipping, yes?
[09:00:07] <RjS> do I have the server wrong?
[09:00:15] <fluffy> actually I think this might be right
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[09:11:58] <Minneapolis> probably not...sigh
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[09:18:08] <RjS> bernie - are you in the room?
[09:18:18] <bhoeneis> yes
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[09:29:15] <RjS> tsuta: are you in the sipping meeting room?
[09:29:25] <tsuta> yes
[09:29:43] <tsuta> But I'm not good at English.
[09:31:00] <tsuta> I am waiting for note for the content understanding.
[09:31:25] <RjS> ah
[09:32:48] <RjS> (I don't know if I'm up to that kind of transcription, but will attempt to summarize main discussion points that aren't on the slides)
[09:33:48] <tsuta> Thank you very much.
[09:34:43] <RjS> gonzalo: point in 3326 in use of Reason is clear
[09:34:56] <RjS> jdr: these words existed to help solve the HERFP problem
[09:35:28] <RjS> (leaving hooks via "weasel words" to allow work in progress to be applied later)
[09:36:37] <RjS> rohan: key question: find out if something breaks if you include a Reason header in this kind of response
[09:37:31] <RjS> jdr: having two ways to indicate a response code leads to ambiguity (inconsistent data in different places). Reason shouldn't become an extension to the response code
[09:37:52] <RjS> rohan: are you proposing adding a large number of response codes
[09:38:09] <RjS> jdr: yes, if the group decides a response should carry this kind of information
[09:38:53] <RjS> jon: agrees
[09:40:14] <RjS> jon: we've made this kind of decision before - figuring out how to translate information from other systems - we should use the same decision criteria we've used before - I'm skeptical about putting this kind of information in a 302
[09:41:51] <RjS> (tsuta or anyone else - send a "?" if I need to increase detail on any given comment (or miss a comment you needed more visibility into)
[09:43:09] <RjS> james: I was told not to use 850 with reason - same logic should apply to 732
[09:43:44] <RjS> dean: why is history by itself not enough?
[09:44:11] <RjS> john: doesn't carry all legacy information, can't carry the right information in 3xx.
[09:44:43] <RjS> mary: problem is ambiguity during redirection - was it a real redirection or some bit of feature interaction
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[09:45:33] <RjS> (I didn't understand rohan)
[09:48:20] <tsuta> ?
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[09:50:45] <RjS> rohan: will lead an effort to see if we can achieve what John's trying to do with the existing tools (at the end of the meeting)
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[09:52:03] <RjS> ...
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[09:53:46] <RjS> (and I lost network connection)
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[09:56:51] <RjS> henning: it may be that people really do want voicemail if that's the only secure contact available
[09:57:24] <RjS> cullen: that should be covered with something like Require
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[09:57:32] <RjS> rohan: not necessary - offer only secure communication
[09:58:06] <RjS> (I'm having significant network issues - can anyone else take the ball?)
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