[06:33:05] martin.thomson joins the room [06:35:13] carolin joins the room [06:35:19] carolin leaves the room [06:40:25] burn joins the room [06:41:51] Does anyone know when the audio stream will be started? (Or if it is already running) [06:48:00] carolin joins the room [06:48:15] carolin leaves the room [06:57:01] suzukisn joins the room [06:57:11] suzukisn leaves the room [07:02:29] suzukisn joins the room [07:02:32] suzukisn leaves the room [07:04:46] RjS joins the room [07:05:06] JonathanLennox joins the room [07:06:52] richard.barnes joins the room [07:07:30] still having audio stream problems? [07:07:35] richard.barnes waves hand as your friendly scribe today [07:08:36] suzukisn joins the room [07:09:36] i think audio stream problems are at my end -- experimenting with alternate players [07:09:58] richard.barnes leaves the room [07:10:16] richard.barnes joins the room [07:13:24] RjS leaves the room [07:15:09] wolfgang.beck01 joins the room [07:20:52] Cullen Jennings joins the room [07:22:07] RjS joins the room [07:24:45] eburger joins the room [07:31:12] Martin, is the etherpad link you give where the minutes are being written? I get a 404 on that link [07:32:56] I was under the impression that google had turned off the etherpad.com site [07:33:10] Bernard joins the room [07:33:25] yes, that's what I saw as well when i went to etherpad.com. they have turned off the servers there [07:33:40] so I'm curious what the "Minutes pad" link is for [07:33:56] jgunn joins the room [07:34:17] I loved etherpad - was awesome for minutes. I wonder what the best alternative is. I have not tried any of them [07:37:00] is Keith's argument maybe that there is no indication that an intermediary has added a location? [07:37:19] so there's no way to tell that this has occurred without dereferencing. [07:40:21] maybe we just need a way to record who added what when [07:48:37] would it be helpful in the header even just to know the number of locations? Then any app can at least look and see whether a change has occurred [07:48:53] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sip-location-conveyance-13 [07:49:06] "The phrase "location conveyance" describes scenarios in which a SIP user agent client (UAC) is informing a user agent server (UAS) or intermediate SIP server where the UAC is. " [07:51:44] thanks richard. my comments were more about trying to indicate when a change has occurred rather than providing all the info directly, since the current disagreement seems to be between providing only one link and providing all info directly, leading to the question of "when do I have to dereference" [07:52:01] dirk.kutscher joins the room [07:52:19] but perhaps just knowing a change has occurred is not sufficient for, e.g., Keith [07:54:23] Cullen Jennings leaves the room [07:55:14] compromise == basically removing this sentence: "The Geolocation header field has zero or one locationValue, but MUST NOT contain more than one locationValue." [08:02:02] sounds like a fun statement: I think a strong SHOULD NOT is what we're using [08:03:12] SHOULD NOT, with guidance [08:03:43] burn: this might be too late, but did you have a comment that needed to go to the mic? [08:08:25] HUM: In favor of compromise [08:08:39] dirk.kutscher leaves the room: Replaced by new connection [08:08:39] dirk.kutscher joins the room [08:09:26] Bernard leaves the room [08:09:59] Bernard joins the room [08:10:54] dirk.kutscher leaves the room: Replaced by new connection [08:10:56] dirk.kutscher joins the room [08:14:26] suzukisn leaves the room [08:19:15] richard, oops, missed your question. No, it didn't need to go to the mic (after the compromise). [08:24:29] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5808 [08:26:19] martin.thomson leaves the room [08:29:47] suzukisn joins the room [08:30:12] Please ask: Who decides on the value of "period"? It seems the subscriber would want to have some control of teh value of "period" as it affects behavior. 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