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Otherwise, we only get namespace collision avoidance... we are still discussing that in the room. [00:34:07] sal joins the room [00:34:21] found the audio here: http://icecast.ietf76.jp:8000/ietf766.mp3 [00:34:23] :) [00:34:29] Cullen Jennings joins the room [00:34:47] Still not hearing anything. [00:36:48] I'll try to find somebody who can fix audio [00:37:05] it's working [00:37:19] http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf76.m3u [00:37:21] try that playlist [00:39:18] rababy joins the room [00:39:22] eric burger at the mic [00:39:24] Am hearing it now. Thanks! [00:39:47] hannu hietalahti at the mic [00:40:44] Heading back downstairs [00:42:18] jon peterson at the mic [00:42:43] rababy leaves the room [00:44:46] cullen jennings at the mic [00:47:51] adam roach at the mic [00:50:43] jgunn joins the room [00:52:36] spencerdawkins joins the room [00:52:36] Hisham kartabil@mic [00:52:56] robert sparks shaking his head :-) [00:53:34] (that would be a good thing for the RFID experiment to capture - need a motion sensor :-) ) [00:54:49] Jon Peterson @ mic [00:56:10] for those of us who don't have audio (I'm in one room and monitoring three others), it would be good if you actually typed the comments that people at the mic are making. [00:57:34] current discussion is about whether this proposal is opening a large hole for people to write specifications for info packages that, in fact, significantly modify the behavior of the SIP session itself [00:58:02] thanks much [00:58:05] adam just pointed out that SDP attributes are currently 'specification required' and have the same hole [00:58:46] so really, the issue here is whether we are trying to 'control' what people do, or foster interoperability, or some mixture of both [00:59:20] trying to take a hum on whether specification required is enough [00:59:58] consensus is that specification required will be adequate for IANA registration of INFO packages [01:00:11] Slide topics 2/2 [01:00:18] Christer is asking if Paul K. is online... [01:00:37] pee leaves the room [01:00:47] I guess he is not... [01:01:24] next topic is whether Recv-Info should be required in re-INVITE response and ACKs [01:01:50] Eric burger @ mic [01:05:14] SoftgearKo leaves the room [01:06:42] Henry Sinnreich @ mic [01:07:11] SoftgearKo joins the room [01:07:14] SoftgearKo leaves the room [01:07:49] SoftgearKo joins the room [01:09:20] Audio for this session is available here: http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/IETF76/ietf76-6.m3u [01:09:36] Dale worley @ mic [01:18:20] Jon Elwell @ mic [01:20:04] Adam Roach @ mic [01:22:15] Eric Burger @ mic [01:24:02] Robert Sparks @ mic [01:25:45] We don't need an INFO package for DTMF, do we? [01:26:31] isn't there already one? [01:26:43] Yes, there is one already.... [01:27:02] so yes, we need yet another way for doing DTMF in SIP calls, because there are at least six already [01:27:29] And the goal is to get to an even dozen?? [01:27:52] maybe [01:28:10] gregdavies joins the room [01:28:23] Eric Burger @ mic [01:28:43] The legacy usages will continue to use legacy mechanisms.... why would anyone update SIP-T?? [01:29:04] So, do we need a standard DTMF Info ? [01:29:16] Eric just said that on the mike. Nobody will update their SIP-T implementations. [01:29:32] There will not be a package for SIP-T [01:29:45] gregdavies leaves the room [01:30:09] zhouzp leaves the room [01:30:11] Adam Roach: I'm coming up to more explicitly say "no".... makes as much sense as an event package for PINT... it's nonsensical. [01:30:33] Gonzalo: we can move on.... if people can use this, speak up... we need to judge the level of usefulness. [01:30:46] Mary is the final presenter. [01:31:06] Mary Barnes presents history-info [01:31:28] Slide 'What...' [01:31:44] Slide 'Since..' [01:32:17] Mary: Updated the use cases in -03. [01:32:18] Slide 'Changes..' [01:33:45] slide 'Issue..' [01:34:53] fmcway joins the room [01:35:03] Slide 'Example' [01:36:38] Slide 'Way forward' [01:37:10] Cullen Jennings @ mic [01:37:45] Slide 'Issue..' again [01:40:54] Slide 'Way forward' again [01:42:20] Dashi leaves the room [01:42:43] are all the 3 presentation technical details instead of architecture? [01:42:50] yes [01:43:07] any design choice or just give a solution? [01:43:16] no alternative needed [01:43:18] ben@xmpp.estacado.net leaves the room [01:43:22] wolfgang.beck01 leaves the room [01:43:24] just make it work is fine [01:43:24] meeting is over [01:43:39] IC, tks [01:43:47] bhoeneis joins the room [01:43:57] how many attendees are ? [01:44:01] We are done for today. Thanks folks! 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