[06:44:56] Olle E. Johansson, Sollentuna, Sweden (GMT+1 DST) joins the room [06:51:01] Olle E. Johansson, Sollentuna, Sweden (GMT+1 DST) has set the subject to: SIPCORE :: Agenda http://tools.ietf.org/wg/sipcore/agenda Audio http://feed.verilan.com/ietf/stream08.m3u ) [06:55:15] Thomas Stach joins the room [06:55:40] stripes joins the room [06:58:24] John.Elwell joins the room [06:58:47] Jabber room filling slowly, like the conference room... I must have missed something last night. [07:00:47] Kai Fischer joins the room [07:02:30] hscholz joins the room [07:04:32] Andy Hutton joins the room [07:04:49] RjS joins the room [07:04:49] dwillis joins the room [07:05:08] JonathanLennox joins the room [07:05:08] /nic oej - jabber scribe [07:05:10] Alissa joins the room [07:05:28] ipbaobao joins the room [07:05:40] I will be your humble scribe today. If you want me to relay to the mic, please prefix with MiC: [07:05:44] suzukisn joins the room [07:05:54] Reminder: We need people to review draft-sipcore-sec-flows [07:06:04] tomkri joins the room [07:06:08] Doc: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sipcore-sec-flows-00 [07:06:15] Slide: Charetered work item status [07:06:19] RJS at mic [07:07:04] WGLC for 199 is finished [07:07:09] ...tomorrow [07:07:20] Location conveyance last call ends aug 7 [07:07:39] Keith drage at mic [07:08:06] sip-sec-flows needs review [07:08:24] etags extension got comments from iesg that needs addressing [07:08:31] Adam will propose text [07:08:56] Throttling needs more eyeballs [07:09:12] presence scaling reqs under evaluation [07:09:14] by ads [07:09:18] ADs [07:09:22] Gonzalo on mic [07:10:04] Wolfgang Beck (remote) joins the room [07:10:18] mlm.michael.miller joins the room [07:10:29] Adam back on mic [07:10:37] Slide: essential corrections [07:11:04] Slides Agenda and Status [07:11:06] pee joins the room [07:11:09] simobacsi joins the room [07:11:44] Staffan Kerker joins the room [07:11:45] Keith Drage on mic [07:11:56] Glenn Parsons joins the room [07:12:05] Wolfgang Beck (remote) leaves the room [07:12:27] Wolfgang Beck (remote) joins the room [07:12:36] bhoeneis joins the room [07:12:40] Discussion about the need for making small changes [07:12:45] David Bryan on mic [07:13:20] Dean Willis on mic [07:13:30] Mic: I agree with David Bryan [07:13:59] keith on mic [07:14:17] theo on mic [07:14:40] john peterson on mic [07:14:54] john.elwell: Done [07:15:19] gonzalo on mic [07:15:38] I assume there are no issues with the audio feed [07:16:03] Christer on mic [07:16:15] Christer Holmberg that is (oej) [07:16:51] Dean Willis suggested earlier to go back and revise 3261 [07:17:17] Adam will put out a request for changing milesones in the wg charter [07:17:36] Keith on mic [07:17:53] PLEASE REVIEW DRAFT-IETF-SIPCORE-SECFLOWS.... [07:18:19] Chairs asking for dedicated reviewers [07:18:29] Adam is looking all of you in the jabber room straight in the eye! [07:18:39] (need ascii art here) [07:18:40] mlepinski joins the room [07:18:47] Hello!!! Anyone? [07:18:56] RJS on mic [07:19:00] *inspecting the ceiling* [07:19:13] Rjs: Can we shoot it in the head instead of publishing this thing [07:19:38] Mary Barnes on mic [07:19:44] eburger joins the room [07:19:58] Mary suggest an early security review [07:20:04] Keith on mic [07:20:29] Audience: "Hey, it's only 59 pages long. What's the problem?" [07:20:34] RJS on mic [07:20:56] RJS: There was a disconnect between what OPENssl does and what our RFC says [07:20:56] Audience ::= Bob Moskowitz [07:21:14] Thanks! He did not give his name slowly and clearly... :-) (oej) [07:21:20] Keith on mic [07:22:10] Discussion between RJS and Keith Drage [07:22:17] RJS = Robert Sparks [07:22:20] Willy [07:22:23] willy on mic [07:22:41] RJS on mic [07:23:09] Adam on mic [07:23:17] Staffan Kerker leaves the room [07:23:20] Staffan Kerker joins the room [07:23:52] Willy asks what is essentials in the doc [07:23:59] rjs on mic again [07:24:06] gonzalo on mic [07:24:09] Alissa leaves the room [07:24:18] sal joins the room [07:24:33] Keith on mic [07:25:34] Next presentation: Christer Holmberg on stage [07:26:13] Pres: Indication of support for keep-alive [07:26:22] Slide: Adjacent node [07:26:33] Doc http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-sipcore-keep-00.txt [07:29:01] Christer finishing early though there are 30 mins on the agenda (oej note) [07:29:19] Spencer Hawkins on mic [07:30:24] Mic: I do lean towards option 2, but it depends whether this meets the initial motivation of keep-alive. [07:30:30] Mr kaplan on mic [07:30:43] Mr Hadriel Kaplan to be correct [07:30:43] Too late [07:30:47] Ok [07:30:49] shintaro joins the room [07:30:54] Mic: :-) [07:32:00] Francois audet on mic [07:33:07] Gonzalo on mic [07:33:24] Next presentation [07:33:32] Speaker Francois Audet ---------------------------------- [07:33:47] Delivering request-URI and parameters to UAS via proxy draft-barnes-sipcore-rfc4244bis-01.txt draft-rosenberg-sipcore-target-uri-delivery-00. [07:33:59] Presentation History-Info header and Support of target-uri Solution Requirements [07:34:06] Slide: Since IETF 74 [07:35:30] Slide: What we want to achieve today [07:36:31] Slide: Scope of 4244bis [07:37:27] Queue forming at mic.... [07:37:43] Dean Willis on mic [07:38:20] Mary is on hold at mic [07:38:29] Keith on mic [07:39:05] Slide: What's wrong with RFC4244 [07:39:18] Mary barnes on mic [07:39:59] Cullen Jennings on mic [07:41:14] Mary Barnes waving arms at mic [07:41:16] And talking [07:41:31] Hadrian Kaplan on mic [07:42:51] Hot discussion with several people at mic [07:43:02] spencerdawkins joins the room [07:43:45] Cullen on mic [07:44:45] Mary Barnes was speaking [07:44:50] Christer Holmber speaking [07:45:28] Spencer on mic again [07:46:08] Hadrian on mic [07:47:17] Keith on mic [07:47:58] Hadriel again [07:49:48] * Slide: What's wrong with 4244 (page 6) [07:50:49] Mary: They made me do that [07:51:36] * Slide 7: What we did to document [07:53:38] Philippe Fouquart at mic [07:54:18] * Slide 8: Issue 1: aor tag [07:55:19] bhoeneis leaves the room [07:55:25] I did not find anything about b2buas in this draft (oej personally, not scribe) [07:56:12] Hadriel at mic, not at mic, on hold... [07:56:47] Fa: THere are SIP providers using IP address as domain... I.e. not using a domain at all [07:57:08] Hadriel back at mic [07:57:33] Mic: There was also an issue about entities that issue a 3xx - do they tag URIs as AOR? [07:57:45] ACK [07:58:27] 486 Mic Busy Here [07:59:29] mic occupied (oej) [08:00:42] keith drage [08:02:13] john [08:03:47] michael joins the room [08:03:54] @john.elwell: done [08:03:58] Adam Roach on mic [08:04:09] thanks [08:04:17] Hadriel Kaplan on mic [08:04:31] hscholz leaves the room: Replaced by new connection [08:05:17] RJS on mic [08:05:46] RJS: "strict routing is processing of messages with route headers in them" [08:06:00] Hadriel apologizes for something [08:06:12] RjS on mic [08:07:34] Jonathan Lennox on mic [08:07:51] Staffan Kerker leaves the room [08:07:57] Staffan Kerker joins the room [08:08:36] Dean Willis on mic [08:09:41] =JeffH joins the room [08:09:49] michael leaves the room [08:09:58] michael joins the room [08:10:14] Bernie Hoeneisen on mic [08:10:40] Keith Drage on mic [08:11:26] John on mic [08:11:32] dwillis leaves the room [08:12:49] (update) Still on slide 8, discussing AOR tag in history-info [08:13:22] John: " I wrote section 10 in RFC3261..." [08:14:00] Does that mean section 10 is not clear? :-& [08:14:30] RFC3261-sec10-bis ? (oej :-) ) [08:14:38] rjs on mic [08:14:39] Mic: JP's comments are very much in line with what I was starting to conclude. The difficulties a UAS has in figuring out how to interpret a URI is merely being pushed to the proxy/redirect, which is likely to have similar difficulties. This enhancement to H-I seems to do more harm than good. [08:14:47] HannesTschofenig joins the room [08:15:41] keith on mic [08:15:45] <=JeffH> wow, peterson lost some of his formerly perpetual cool [08:16:39] hadriel mic [08:16:40] @JeffH: With some folks from this group you can easily get nervous [08:18:51] @john.elwell: Done [08:18:57] john p at mic [08:19:00] Thanks again [08:19:05] np [08:20:01] RJS at mic [08:21:27] rjs: You are not hearing my statement! (loud) [08:22:12] * Slide 9 - Issue 2: rc / cc / rt tags [08:25:13] hadriel on mic [08:28:31] Mary Barnes on mic [08:29:24] Keith on mic [08:30:18] Cullen Jennings joins the room [08:30:50] hadriel on mic [08:30:53] Mary back [08:31:01] hadriel and mary being mixed at mic [08:31:09] with keith and francois [08:31:11] I have to say I have a strong attraction to option #2 [08:31:27] Cullen: Find a mic! [08:31:47] Or have you left the room? [08:32:06] Well, I don't know if it would be a technical good decisions, but hey, a tag called fluffy, how could I not like it [08:32:15] I'm in the room [08:32:19] ;-) [08:32:55] So there's a typo on the slide - "fluff" [08:33:02] Keith gets angry at the mic [08:33:21] Keith always gets angry when he is not allowed to speak at the mike. [08:33:23] :-) [08:36:08] Hadriel speaking [08:36:18] hadriel: "garbage in, garbage out" .... [08:36:37] : We're still at slide 9 [08:37:50] bhoeneis joins the room [08:38:08] adam speaking [08:38:22] Cullen speaking [08:38:56] lebobits joins the room [08:39:33] lebobits leaves the room [08:39:34] lebobits joins the room [08:39:57] lebobits leaves the room: Logging off [08:40:47] lebobits joins the room [08:40:59] Hadriel speaking [08:41:07] the owner of the trademark "fluff" has posted IPR on the use of it in this slide [08:41:37] Discussion about parsing the history-info [08:41:39] and now he's retaliating by attempting a mic-based DoS [08:42:50] Staffan Kerker leaves the room [08:42:53] Staffan Kerker joins the room [08:42:56] I think they are using fluff because some other company has the fluffy IPR [08:43:11] gonzalo reminder [08:43:14] Mary on mic [08:44:02] ** SLIDE 10: mp tag [08:44:20] [08:46:22] Keith on mic [08:46:34] masashi joins the room [08:47:40] Hadriel speaking [08:48:36] Goznalo joins the room [08:49:25] Cullen Jennings leaves the room [08:50:25] Keith speaking [08:51:07] Cullen Jennings joins the room [08:51:24] Hadriel talking [08:52:07] Keith speaking [08:52:38] ben@xmpp.estacado.net joins the room [08:52:47] Hadriel speaking [08:53:08] Keith again [08:53:51] Mary spoke [08:54:16] ** Slide 11: Issue 4 [08:54:27] FA: "This one is going to be really fast" [08:54:45] ** Slide 12: Issue 5: Privacy [08:55:51] Back to ** Slide 3: What we want to achieve today [08:56:16] Whoe talking over there? [08:56:20] who is talking? [08:56:22] ? [08:56:32] Francois talking [08:56:43] Hadriel talking [08:58:34] Keith speaking [09:00:19] Keith: "what are we revising it to do" - speaking about RFC4244 [09:01:37] Dean willis speaking [09:03:20] Hadriel speaking [09:04:27] Gonzalo: move this discussion to the list [09:04:47] ------------------------------- [09:04:52] Next doc: Revising RFC 3265 draft-roach-sipcore-rfc3265bis-00.txt [09:05:04] Slides: RFC3265bis: SIP Events Revision [09:05:10] Adam Roach [09:05:17] Slide: why? [09:06:18] Slide: open Issues [09:06:54] Slide: Bug 711: Allow-events can't express template support [09:07:36] Goznalo leaves the room [09:08:18] Rjs speaking [09:08:41] Experience from SIPits [09:09:46] dwillis joins the room [09:10:24] I keep falling out of the jabber chat room. [09:10:39] You're always welcome back :-) [09:12:18] *** Slide: Open Issue: 202 - is it useful [09:12:38] At least you fall out and get back up. [09:13:03] Theo is actually alive :-) (oej) [09:13:09] Christer speaking [09:13:24] Staffan Kerker leaves the room [09:13:29] michael leaves the room [09:13:30] Staffan Kerker joins the room [09:14:01] michael joins the room [09:14:13] Rjs was speaking [09:14:16] Keith speaking [09:14:52] How widely is RFC 3265 implemented and do people think it is easy to implement? [09:14:55] rjs speaking [09:16:47] Keith speaking [09:17:27] Keith, RJS and Adam discussing [09:17:38] rfc 3265 is vague on several issues. eg. what to send in a NOTIFY, when the notifier has no meaningful state yet. "empty or neutral NOTIFY body" is too vague, at least if event package RfCs don't define it properly (i'm looking at you, Message Waiting Indication!). [09:18:03] Andrew Allen speaking [09:18:08] RFC 3265 registers 202, so we need to keep that aspect. 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