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[00:59:16] <Cullen> So I am having problems with stremaing audio but I am working with Joel to try and sort it out 
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[01:02:03] <Hadriel Kaplan> Howdy
[01:02:11] <Cullen> Howdy 
[01:02:12] <Hadriel Kaplan> I will be your remote speaker for today
[01:02:31] <Hadriel Kaplan> Cullen did you get audio working?
[01:02:59] <Cullen> Perfect - many thanks. Please feel free to take at least one thing I say and say the opposite and claim it was me 
[01:03:18] <Hadriel Kaplan> Of course
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[01:03:33] <Cullen> No audio yet, but hey, I think I might have heard this meeting before 
[01:03:51] <Hadriel Kaplan> ohj oh - peter's  been speaking for a while
[01:04:08] <Gonzalo> Yes, there have been problems with the media servers. I hope they fix them soon.
[01:04:16] <Cullen> got audio now 
[01:04:27] <Hadriel Kaplan> current topic: 4KB limit
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[01:04:35] <Hadriel Kaplan> whether it's for a field, or message
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[01:06:02] <Hadriel Kaplan> on slide 7 now
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[01:08:35] <Cullen> to mic: I'd like to +1 Hadriel. Also  which DNS would use use the NAPTR, SRV, CNAME, A 
[01:09:35] <Cullen> meant to type "Also  which DNS would you  use the NAPTR, SRV, CNAME, A"
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[01:13:36] <Hadriel Kaplan> on slide: Major Changes in 02 draft
[01:14:49] <Hadriel Kaplan> on slide: Open Issues
[01:16:26] <Cullen> mic: Am I understanding correctly there would not be SDP in the log files? This sounds nuts 
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[01:19:54] <Cullen> I'm certiaily not arguing that bodies are mandatory but if we can not put bodies in a common way in the log file, I can't imaigne anyne using this.SDP is a key part of sorting out some of this stuff 
[01:20:30] <Hadriel Kaplan> The thing is we've said many times this isn't a replacement for Wireshark pcap files
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[01:21:28] <Hadriel Kaplan> this is a file of entries so that you can know that (a) you have a problem, and (b) the identifiers so you can go do wireshark/whatever
[01:21:51] <Cullen> yah we need a standardized tag for the body 
[01:22:05] <Cullen> I am on an audo stream that is way delayed
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[01:25:40] <Cullen> I'd be fine with a tag that was not body but a tag for each type of common body - so we would have a tag for SDP and if the sip message had a body that was SDP, then it would be in this tag. 
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[01:25:58] <Hadriel Kaplan> oooh
[01:25:59] <Cullen> dont' need to channel that 
[01:26:05] <Cullen> sounds like we have moved on 
[01:26:11] <Cullen> really complicateed dealing with the audio delay
[01:26:19] <Hadriel Kaplan> ya
[01:26:45] <burn> yeah, being remote sucks.  very hard to carry on a conversation
[01:28:11] <as0-d91k> I think SDP is the one body that is essential  for this to be useful. Not sure why something universal like SDP needs to be vendor extension
[01:28:19] <Hadriel Kaplan> do you mean to encode the body itself in this tag's value?
[01:29:21] <Hadriel Kaplan> as0-d91k: can you identify your name?
[01:29:25] <Hadriel Kaplan> (for the minutes)
[01:29:56] <Cullen> no need for mix - but agree with needs to go to list 
[01:30:10] <Hadriel Kaplan> result: take ot mailing list
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[01:30:28] <Hadriel Kaplan> next up: Brian Trammle and ipfix
[01:35:51] <Hadriel Kaplan> on slide 7
[01:41:09] <Cullen> did I get that right that an operational system could hit IANA web server - that sounds unlikely to be acceptable 
[01:41:10] <burn> btw, we are on slide 8
[01:42:01] <burn> cullen, yes, that's what Brian said -- there were some strong expressions on various faces at that statement
[01:42:27] <burn> slide 9 now
[01:42:31] <Cullen> ok - sounds like I don't need to say anything then but very unlikely that people would go for that
[01:46:16] <burn> moving on:  wireshark plugin
[01:46:25] <burn> hadriel up to front
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[01:46:59] <pee> we'll just need a good description! ;)
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[01:53:03] <Hadriel Kaplan> Is that Erkilla?
[01:53:09] <pee> probably
[01:53:15] <pee> can you go sing or do a beat poem?
[01:53:17] <pee> while we wait
[01:53:25] <pee> that's an official request
[01:53:28] <Hadriel Kaplan> You guys get Internet access in Rochester?  ;)
[01:53:38] <pee> ip over barbed wire is everywhere
[01:54:02] <pee> it's how verizon tests echo cancel software
[01:54:45] <Hadriel Kaplan> Does the snow covering on the barbed wire interfere?
[01:55:01] <pee> insulator
[01:57:57] <pee> lol
[01:58:41] <Hadriel Kaplan> I find it irnoice how the ascii format isn't actually very readable
[01:58:46] <Hadriel Kaplan> ironic
[02:03:34] <burn> moving on to pros and cons
[02:03:39] <Hadriel Kaplan> now the fun part
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[02:09:11] <Cullen> yah - this is do both
[02:09:24] <Hadriel Kaplan> sshhh
[02:09:43] <Cullen> no I would liek to have discution abotu this before we make a WG call on this
[02:10:01] <Hadriel Kaplan> speak
[02:10:21] <Hadriel Kaplan> mailing list ok?
[02:11:07] <Cullen> not for mic - yah guess fine on going to list but this WG has one hard problem, I can't imagine why we not spend time discussing it int he WG meeting
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[02:11:46] <Hadriel Kaplan> k
[02:11:58] <burn> cullen, so your comment about discussion was that you wanted us to take the time to discuss this compromise live in the meeting?
[02:11:59] <Hadriel Kaplan> so why not for mic?
[02:12:39] <Cullen> I have an question: boith proposals are form Cisco 
[02:13:04] <Cullen> So of the devices that produce log files, what is cisco going to implement
[02:13:08] <Brian Trammell> hä?
[02:13:19] <Adam Roach> What?
[02:13:52] <Hadriel Kaplan> can you clarify?
[02:13:58] <Gonzalo> Cullen, could you clarify what you mean by that? People are confused...
[02:14:04] <Cullen> Tryingn 
[02:14:11] <Cullen> just use jabber here to me 
[02:14:22] <Cullen> yah fine with clsoing meeting
[02:14:33] <Gonzalo> The meeting ends.
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