sidr - Friday, July 24, 2015

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Friday, July 24, 2015< ^ >

rhansen has set the subject to: SIDR (Secure Inter-Domain Routing)

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[07:03:18] <dseomn> I feel like this chatroom is a BBNish club at the moment
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[07:05:26] <John Scudder> HI, I will be Jabber scribe
[07:05:53] <John Scudder> I'm just planning to monitor the room for questions, and announce speaker/topic changes
[07:06:25] <John Scudder> I know some of you are local because some of you are sitting next to me. If you're remote and want me to do something other than what I've said, please tell me.
[07:06:32] <Lepinski> Thanks John
[07:06:59] <John Scudder> Sandy doing chair stuff now. Draft status, slide 6.
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[07:09:35] <John Scudder> 9
[07:09:59] <Rob Austein> slide 10
[07:10:05] <suehares> hi John.
[07:10:15] <John Scudder> hi sue!
[07:10:20] <John Scudder> Tim speaking
[07:10:30] <John Scudder> RPKI Retrieval Delta
[07:11:38] <John Scudder> 2
[07:11:54] <rhansen> @Meetecho please aim camera
[07:12:15] <Meetecho> done, thanks for noticing :)
[07:12:18] <rhansen> thanks :)
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[07:20:05] <John Scudder> Jeff H: What does "distrusting" mean?
[07:20:38] <John Scudder> Rob A: Point of dispute amongst implementors.
[07:20:53] <John Scudder> oh right, I'm not echoing all the q/a here. Follow the Etherpad for that :-)
[07:21:00] <John Scudder> (unless someone requests it)
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[07:26:31] <John Scudder> Q/A
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[07:27:26] <Rob Austein> For those following here: not really point of dispute, more point where there's more than one way to do it, point is no real meaningful channel security
[07:30:34] <John Scudder> Randy about to present, Sandy making excuses for him :-)
[07:31:01] <Rob Austein> And making slides for him :)
[07:31:09] <Rob Austein> And setting agenda for him :)
[07:31:49] <John Scudder> randy invites sandy to give his concluding remarks
[07:31:51] <John Scudder> as well
[07:35:09] <Russ Mundy> Guessing this is Tim B. speaking?
[07:35:15] <John Scudder> correct
[07:35:16] <Rob Austein> yes
[07:35:19] <Russ Mundy> tks
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[07:36:11] <John Scudder> tim
[07:39:25] <Russ Mundy> mike please
[07:40:30] <John Scudder> (sorry, can't accurately transcribe the comment)
[07:41:03] <John Scudder> was other audience mic. confirmed it's live. maybe he just wasn't speaking into it properly? will keep an eye on it.
[07:43:55] <John Scudder> torn-euro exhange rate levity
[07:47:57] <Richard Hansen> adopting makes it easy for people interested in sidr to keep track of what's going on, what the group thinks is interesting
[07:48:37] <John Scudder> ^
[07:49:11] <John Scudder> Steve Kent
[07:49:15] <John Scudder> Overview of the Adverse Actions doc
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[07:57:15] <John Scudder> rob a
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[08:05:37] <Lepinski> What is the bad thing that can happen if a repository offers different views of the world to different people ... provided that both views are otherwise valid (not stale)
[08:05:38] <Lepinski> ?
[08:05:44] <John Scudder> can remote people hear ruediger?
[08:05:56] <Lepinski> Barely
[08:06:02] <Lepinski> (hear volk)
[08:06:23] <Rob Austein> any better?
[08:06:30] <Richard Hansen> y
[08:06:42] <Lepinski> Yes, better, still not awesome but I can understand
[08:06:58] <Rob Austein> he's about as close as he can get without chewing on it
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[08:08:50] <John Scudder> matt, any follow-up?
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[08:09:39] <Lepinski> One can imagine a resource holder who wants different people to see different views and therefore creates parralell objects for this purpose. I am not sure that this is good, but I don't think it is something we should spend a lot of effort to stop
[08:10:34] <Rob Austein> I don't think this works without different certificate trees, otherwise SIAs don't point to useful complete manifests
[08:10:55] <Rob Austein> so alternate root, sure, although bad idea, but otherwise result looks broken
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[08:13:26] <John Scudder> nb slide 4 on screen now
[08:13:43] <Lepinski> @Rob: Thanks. I need to give a bit more thought to how different views would interact with SIAs (it is late at night). In any case, I am not too hung up about this.
[08:13:59] <John Scudder> want me to relay?
[08:14:03] <Richard Hansen> mic died
[08:14:04] <Lepinski> No, don't relay
[08:14:35] <Richard Hansen> mic still not working
[08:14:40] <Richard Hansen> there we go
[08:15:25] <John Scudder> everyone is now using the speaker mic :-o
[08:15:35] <John Scudder> ticket opened complaining about mics
[08:15:43] <John Scudder> actually it was open, but escalated
[08:16:23] <Lepinski> @Rob: My only concern (which prompted the first comment) is that trying to enforce a consistent view of the world across the entire distributed repository system seems hard (particulary if legitmate signers decide they like inconsistent views of the world).
[08:16:25] <Russ Mundy> for meetecho folk, this is probably good
[08:16:40] <Lepinski> [Don't relay]
[08:17:17] <Rob Austein> as randy pointed out, large scale "lta" (eg, great firewall) is a different view, but has to start from a/the root
[08:18:14] <Lepinski> Yes. I agree with Randy, as long as we aren't trying to actively prevent that kind of "lta" (great firewall) phenomena, then I am fine
[08:19:56] <Russ Mundy> mike please
[08:19:57] <John Scudder> declan ma
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[08:21:03] <John Scudder> randy says "but what is the penguin asking?"
[08:21:59] <John Scudder> David Mandelberg
[08:22:15] <John Scudder> presengint Simplfied Local Internet Number Resource Mgt (SLURM)
[08:22:27] <John Scudder> aaand we have new batteries on the audience mics
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[08:28:11] <Richard Hansen> mic works, yay
[08:30:54] <John Scudder> <general disagreement muttering>
[08:31:10] <John Scudder> <general agreement>
[08:36:25] <John Scudder> (slide 5 on screen)
[08:42:54] <John Scudder> Di Ma on RPKI standardization in china
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[08:49:19] <John Scudder> q/c
[08:49:33] <John Scudder> RV
[08:49:53] <John Scudder> dunno if you can hear. asking about testbeds, deployments
[08:51:44] <John Scudder> Matthias Wahlisch
[08:51:48] <John Scudder> on RPKI beacons
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[09:10:58] <John Scudder> bgpsec and route leaks
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[09:24:57] <Rob Austein> slide 14 of 26 with six minutes left, talk faster
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[09:27:58] <Rob Austein> might be ok, 17 onwards are "backup slides"
[09:28:16] <John Scudder> holding my breath.
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