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[07:07:34] <Wes George> I'll be jabber scribing
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[07:07:40] <Wes George> anyone on remotely?
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[07:08:08] <Joel Jaeggli> monitoring from another room
[07:08:25] <Joel Jaeggli> mlshore is
[07:08:30] <Dan York> does being in another room count? :-)
[07:08:47] <Wes George> audio check?
[07:08:48] <Dan York> Ha! I'm two rows behind joelja
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[07:09:10] <Wes George> currently on slide 8 of http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/agenda/agenda-83-sidr.html
[07:09:26] <Wes George> brian haberman at mic
[07:09:41] <Wes George> slide 9
[07:09:53] <Wes George> slide 10
[07:10:01] <Wes George> slide 11
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[07:11:06] <Joel Jaeggli> sounds ok
[07:11:13] <Wes George> comments from the room: what do you mean afterwards? and depends upon how you behave during the meeting
[07:11:32] <Wes George> Matt Lepinskki presenting http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-sidr-13.ppt
[07:12:27] <Wes George> slide 2
[07:13:10] <Wes George> slide 4
[07:13:18] <Wes George> overview
[07:14:05] <Wes George> slide 5 - doc status
[07:15:24] <Wes George> slide 6 - bgpsec capability
[07:16:27] <Wes George> rob austein: Unicast, correct?
[07:16:50] <Wes George> slide 7 Path_Signatures format
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[07:19:16] <Wes George> slide 8 - First Try
[07:19:54] <christopher.morrow> hey, for the jabber-folks who want to listen to webex:
Event number: 646 631 463
Event password: wgmeeting
Event address for attendees: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/onstage/g.php?d=646631463&t=a
[07:20:25] <christopher.morrow> (slides should be showing on the webex)
[07:20:36] <Wes George> is the webex audio just using the chair's laptop mic?
[07:20:52] <Wes George> slide 9 "next Try"
[07:20:53] <christopher.morrow> believe that may be the case.
[07:20:55] <John Scudder> also if anyone wants to collaborate on minutes, I'm using the shared etherpad: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/minutes
[07:21:02] <Wes George> can't see how that'd be better than the stream audio
[07:21:08] <Wes George> :-)
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[07:21:24] <christopher.morrow> oh, it's probably not. audio's nice on the audio-stream mostly.
[07:21:34] <christopher.morrow> you're asking if we can mute the chair-laptop?
[07:21:48] <Wes George> no, just pointing it out
[07:22:00] <christopher.morrow> k
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[07:28:31] <Wes George> questions from jabber?
[07:28:43] <Wes George> jeff haas at the mic
[07:29:13] <Wes George> recommend TLV in reserved block to allow for arbitrary length
[07:30:12] <Wes George> sriram at mic
[07:30:25] <Wes George> do we neeed something that tells receiver that there are two sig blogs?
[07:30:38] <Wes George> er s/blogs/blocks
[07:30:59] <Wes George> that'd be something, BGPSec via blog :-?
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[07:31:58] <Wes George> slide 10
[07:32:07] <Wes George> "coupole notes on -03 format"
[07:32:46] <Wes George> criminy... finger<->brain connection only semi-functional this AM apparently
[07:33:21] <Wes George> jeff haas: repeat comment from prev meeting - secured communities
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[07:34:13] <Wes George> slide 11 - SKI length
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[07:39:17] <Wes George> sean turner at mic
[07:39:27] <Wes George> pick same byte length
[07:39:58] <Wes George> take 1st XX bytes of whatever method and go on
[07:40:06] <Wes George> question is whether you ever need longer SKI
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[07:40:20] <Wes George> Randy: 32 bits will always be enough!
[07:40:26] <Wes George> Paul hoffman
[07:40:39] <Wes George> does RP need to know which alg you use?
[07:41:49] <Wes George> slide 12 - replay protection
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[07:44:23] <Wes George> doug M at mic
[07:46:58] <Wes George> s. zhou at mic
[07:47:54] <Wes George> slide 13 - Replay protection, disadvantages
[07:48:55] <bortzmeyer> Why not using dampening against people who set Expire-Time too short?
[07:49:24] <Wes George> we discussed that, but we figured out a better (we think) way to address this
[07:49:47] <Wes George> slide 14 - summary of proposed mechanisms
[07:50:47] <Wes George> sriram at mic
[07:51:52] <Wes George> randy bush
[07:53:14] <Wes George> slide 15 - summary of proposed mechanisms aka "rekey your fracking router"
[07:54:40] <Wes George> doug m at mic
[07:55:37] <Wes George> ruediger volk
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[07:56:05] <Wes George> randy bush
[07:56:56] <Wes George> at router bring-up, put in 2 keys, then you're ready for a rekey
[07:57:08] <Wes George> andrew chi at mic
[07:57:53] <Wes George> doug m
[07:58:13] <Wes George> vasily dolmatov
[07:58:50] <Wes George> when you revoke cert, only CA knows it's invalid, problem with distributing this info around the network, only afte r that can it be considered invalid
[07:59:05] <Wes George> others can ignore
[08:01:19] <Wes George> rob austein
[08:02:03] <Wes George> jeff haas
[08:04:31] <Wes George> steve kent
[08:05:32] <Wes George> paul hoffman
[08:06:27] <Wes George> distributing info over Atom... sounds like my inadvertent BGPSec over Blog typo earlier
[08:06:41] <John Scudder> :-)
[08:07:23] <Wes George> randy bush
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[08:08:02] <Wes George> Sandy Murphy at mic
[08:09:46] <Wes George> slide - "expire time with coarse granularity"
[08:10:03] <Wes George> john scudder
[08:10:28] <Wes George> sriram at mic
[08:11:32] <Wes George> steve bellovin
[08:12:11] <Wes George> matthius mekking at mic
[08:12:29] <Wes George> sriram: that's what granularity is
[08:12:33] <Wes George> doug m
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[08:13:21] <Wes George> randy bush
[08:14:41] <Wes George> randy bush is speaking without slides
[08:16:40] <Dan York> which draft?
[08:16:52] <weiler> originops
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[08:17:28] <Dan York> thx
[08:17:35] <Wes George> ruediger volk at mic
[08:18:28] <Wes George> doug montgomery
[08:19:44] <Wes George> sandy speaking previously
[08:19:48] <Wes George> jakob heitz
[08:20:25] <weiler> chair++
[08:22:13] <Wes George> wes george speaking, then jeff haas
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[08:22:39] <roque> I reaised this problem to the ML back in 2010: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/sidr/current/msg02110.html
[08:23:01] <roque> agreed that needs to be text warning on this issue
[08:23:19] <Wes George> doug m
[08:23:38] <Wes George> ruediger volk
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[08:24:49] <Alex Band> Point taken, Ruediger
[08:24:57] <Wes George> now discussing bgpsec-reqs
[08:25:41] <Wes George> shane amante
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[08:30:48] <Wes George> steven bellovin
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[08:32:34] <Wes George> steve kent now presenting : http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-sidr-11.pdf
[08:33:00] <Wes George> slide 2
[08:33:13] <dougm> Never mind .... my sign toward A, check A and A' doesn't work two hops away ... AS transition is still a problem.
[08:34:04] <Wes George> slide 3
[08:36:39] <Wes George> shane amante
[08:39:23] <weiler> FYI, ~10sec lag on audio stream.
[08:41:44] <Wes George> andrew chi presenting http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-sidr-16.pdf
[08:41:59] <Wes George> grey area: inheritance
[08:42:19] <Wes George> slide 2
[08:42:30] <Wes George> slide 3 : ambiguous
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[08:44:35] <Wes George> slide 4
[08:45:13] <Wes George> steve kent
[08:46:33] <Wes George> rob austein
[08:47:46] <Wes George> andy newton
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[08:49:12] <Wes George> randy bush presenting with no slides
[08:49:31] <Wes George> disfcussing draft-ymbk-bgpsec-rtr-rekeyin
[08:49:33] <Wes George> g
[08:51:36] <Wes George> ruediger: this is considered a security feature
[08:53:34] <Wes George> wes george
[08:53:37] <Wes George> terry manderson
[08:54:17] <Wes George> paul hoffman
[08:56:00] <Wes George> steve kent
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[08:57:57] <Wes George> presenting http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-sidr-14.ppt
[08:58:03] <Wes George> slide 2
[08:58:52] <Wes George> steven bellovin
[08:59:36] <Wes George> slide 3
[08:59:44] <Wes George> slide 4
[09:01:41] <Wes George> slide 5
[09:02:40] <Wes George> slide 6
[09:03:39] <Wes George> slide 7
[09:03:50] <Wes George> slide 8
[09:05:18] <Wes George> slide 10
[09:05:54] <Wes George> slide 11
[09:05:56] <Wes George> steve kent
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[09:07:28] <Wes George> sandy murphy
[09:08:08] <Wes George> jeff haas: roughly same as as-path update
[09:08:12] <Wes George> doug m
[09:08:16] <Wes George> john scudder
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[09:09:27] <Wes George> sriram
[09:12:08] <Wes George> Dan Massey presenting http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-sidr-15.pdf
[09:12:20] <Wes George> slide 2
[09:13:03] <Wes George> slide 3 "what"
[09:14:06] <weiler> bzzzzzt. incorrect in many cases.
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[09:14:57] <Wes George> slide - rover design model
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[09:16:33] <Wes George> next slide (same title)
[09:17:44] <Wes George> next slide (same title)
[09:18:18] <Wes George> slide - "how is this diff from RPKI?"
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[09:19:04] <Wes George> state for the record, PLEASE use slide numbers on your presos!! Chairs, please enforce this
[09:19:48] <weiler> +1
[09:19:59] <John Scudder> ++
[09:20:11] <weiler> chairs, are you listening?
[09:20:18] <Wes George> slide "example capability"
[09:20:21] <John Scudder> I put it in the minutes.
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[09:21:08] <weiler> scudder: thank you
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[09:22:28] <Wes George> slide "some comments"
[09:22:29] <christopher.morrow> yes
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[09:23:24] <Wes George> slide "publicly available"
[09:23:30] <Wes George> speaker now Joe Gersch
[09:24:02] <Wes George> slide "rover testbed"
[09:24:17] <Wes George> slide "real live"
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[09:24:58] <Wes George> slide "IETF considerations"
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[09:26:27] <Wes George> slide "question"
[09:26:59] <Wes George> russ mundy
[09:27:52] <Wes George> steve kent
[09:29:32] <Wes George> sorry, too many side comments to capture all
[09:30:24] <Wes George> rob austein
[09:31:04] <Wes George> perhaps I should use the transcriptionists' shorthand <unintelligible> ;-)
[09:31:32] <Wes George> sam weiler
[09:32:08] <Wes George> arturo severin
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[09:35:58] <Wes George> sorry folks, I have to jump.
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[09:41:21] <roque> is there any document available for the "operation model" that they talk about?
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