[00:44:08] melkins joins the room [00:46:13] melkins has set the subject to: SIDR WG http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/79/agenda/sidr.html [00:50:08] Arturo Servin joins the room [00:55:36] Warren Kumari joins the room [00:57:33] Melinda joins the room [00:59:52] sm joins the room [01:02:59] weiler joins the room [01:03:26] David Cooper joins the room [01:03:44] Welcome to SIDR. [01:03:57] There are about 50 people in the room. [01:04:00] Carlos Martinez Cagnazzo joins the room [01:05:16] spturner joins the room [01:05:20] Sean! [01:05:29] hi [01:06:33] Hello. [01:07:18] mlepinski joins the room [01:07:31] is there anyone out there who NEEDS detailed scribing? (e.g. bad audio stream, or language barrier issues? just wondering how detailed you want the scribing to be) [01:08:01] have we verified the audio feed is working? [01:08:13] Audio feed is fine [01:08:47] Audio is fine, thanks [01:09:24] Matt Lepinksi and Karen O'Donogue are taking the real minutes. Warren and I will be jabber scribing. [01:10:07] (Where's the other co-chair?) [01:10:09] Carlos Martinez Cagnazzo leaves the room [01:10:18] SIDR Draft Status - [01:10:21] ggm joins the room [01:10:31] WG LC Status [01:11:21] is steve kent audible? [01:11:24] Carlos Martinez Cagnazzo joins the room [01:11:32] Yes [01:12:15] Huston:" what's the status of the roa-validation WGLC? [01:12:40] Sandy: so much discussion, it could not be said that there's consensus. [01:12:41] Karen O'Donoghue joins the room [01:12:54] LimingWang joins the room [01:13:03] Geoff: just never saw a conclusion to the WGLC. So "it's still with us; we'll try again"? [01:13:17] end date has passed, but not ready to go to IESG. [01:13:19] WG LC Status (Again) [01:13:29] - New WG Documents [01:13:46] - New Versions Since IETF 78 [01:14:38] Randy Bush — No Slides.... [01:14:52] julio joins the room [01:15:10] randy: rpki-rtr has running code. [01:15:50] randy: implementer on rtr side discovered there were a couple of fields (color and source) that led to complexity. He removed them. [01:16:25] for those who just joined: if you need/want more detailed jabber scribing, speak up. [01:16:31] randy: time to move this doc fwd? [01:17:18] "Certificate Policy (CP) for the Resource PKI (RPKI)" [01:17:43] karen seo presenting [01:17:58] "Status of CP" [01:18:02] randy (off-mike): ruediger takes the blame for color and source. [01:18:06] samante joins the room [01:18:50] "Nature of the Changes" [01:19:05] re: rpki-rtr, sandy asked if randy wanted wglc. randy: up to chairs; he doesn't do process. [01:20:09] "Open Issue" [01:20:49] "Open Issue (continued)" [01:21:13] "Proposed Revised Text" [01:22:31] Randy: IANA has allocated in te past, may continue to allocate, IANA is probably restricted in that they might not allocate something longer to a /8 to an RIR, but they might to others… [01:23:08] Geoff: What you are proposing is not technically correct, IANA doesn't reserve, it can alos allocate. [01:24:05] Steve Kent: I m happy to get useful text as a replacement for this… [01:24:19] Randy: "I smell cows" (???) [01:25:06] Andrei: Doesn't set policy for address alocation, I would just stop at the first sentance. [01:25:11] i was wondering the same :D [01:25:20] Randy: I like that. [01:25:58] Terry's at ICANN? [01:26:08] Terry: When we know what you are going to write, please send it to the IANA... [01:26:55] Geoff: I actually like more descriptive test. [01:27:04] s/test/text/ [01:36:36] "Document Updates" - Geoff. [01:36:49] "dra3-‐ie6-‐sidr-‐keyroll-‐04.txt " [01:37:34] "dra3-‐ie6-‐sidr-‐keyroll-‐04.txt " (again) [01:38:45] "dra3-‐ie6-‐sidr-‐res-‐certs-‐20.txt " [01:40:32] "dra3-‐ie6-‐sidr-‐res-‐certs-‐20.txt " - again. [01:40:57] "dra3-‐ie6-‐sidr-‐repos-‐struct-‐06.txt " [01:41:52] "dra3-‐ie6-‐sidr-‐repos-‐struct-‐06.txt " - again [01:42:10] [ Are folk finding the titles of slides useful? annoying? anything? } [01:42:19] Geoff: asking for WGLC on this. [01:42:28] "dra3-‐ie6-‐sidr-‐rescerts-‐ provisioning-‐08.txt " [01:42:36] Poroposed STD. [01:43:12] well at least I know what set you're on now [01:44:23] Russ: If someone screws their clock, and sets it far in the future, how do you recover from this? [01:44:42] Geoff: Cannot remember if I put in text about this… [01:45:01] Geoff: I'll add this. [01:45:14] "dra3-‐ie6-‐sidr-‐roa-‐validaGon-‐08.txt " [01:45:55] i find it distressing that the validation logic is still not nailed down. [01:48:41] i think we are digging out skeletons from the closet, like the one Geoff has just described [01:48:46] basically, a good thing [01:49:13] things we all thought we know are not really like we thought they were :D [01:52:18] Rob: we need to write down some form of "roas and ASsets don't mix; here's how they don't mix" [01:52:41] Sandy: doesn';t care what statement so long as it's implementable. [01:53:06] warren: the deprecate AS_SETs draft has been accepted as WG item, but only as operational advice. [01:55:00] john scudder: hopes that the deprecate draft will get LESS watered down, thus relieving sidr of needing to have this conversation. [01:55:11] and geoff has misinterpreted appendix F. [01:55:56] 3rd point: at a previous sidr, sriram presented that in real world, this is nearly non-existent (6 routes?). let's spend time on real problems. [01:56:28] rnady: any objection to change to "if you see as aggregation, we don't cover it" (option 1?). No one objected. [01:57:46] "dra3-‐ie6-‐sidr-‐rpki-‐algs-‐04.txt " — asking for WGLC, its a STD doc. [01:58:33] "dra3-‐ie6-‐sidr-‐rpki-‐manifests-‐09.txt " - asking WGLC. [01:59:32] Sam Weiler - no slides. [02:01:47] Local TA mgmt. [02:10:28] audio is still good, yes? [02:10:58] fine for me, thanks [02:11:54] Paul Hoffman joins the room [02:12:23] Sandy: we have not seen the blue sheets on the right side of the room (away from you) [02:15:13] "Algorithm Transition for the RPKI" [02:16:56] "What Happened Since Maastricht" [02:17:48] "Terminology" [02:18:01] "Full Mixed Algorithm Certificates" [02:19:47] "Partial Mixed Algorithm Certificates" [02:20:53] "Uniform Algorithm Certificates" [02:22:56] "Signing Algorithm Selection problem" [02:30:24] "Repository Exhchange" [02:42:22] LimingWang leaves the room [02:43:15] ggm leaves the room [02:46:33] ggm joins the room [02:46:50] Randy: Ghostbusters Record - no slides. [02:47:10] ggm leaves the room [02:47:14] ggm joins the room [02:47:33] ggm leaves the room [02:47:38] ggm joins the room [02:47:47] Carlos Martinez Cagnazzo leaves the room [02:48:41] Carlos Martinez Cagnazzo joins the room [02:48:47] Carlos Martinez Cagnazzo leaves the room [02:54:06] Randy: Operations. [02:54:07] And the song was performed by Ray Parker Jr. [02:54:20] gregory joins the room [02:54:27] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087332/ [02:54:35] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCHFVTQKqdQ [02:54:38] on the right, toward the bottom, you can see a movie trailer [02:55:46] who you gonna call!? [02:55:59] GHOSTBUSTERS!!! [02:56:20] is there a large marshmello man there.... [02:56:32] Yes, yes there is…. [02:57:17] Whhoo … "I am the Key Master, are you the Gate Keeper?" [02:58:04] Carlos Martinez Cagnazzo joins the room [02:59:07] gooooozer [03:00:15] Randy: Asking for WG adoption of both previous drafts. 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