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[09:31:14] <synp> Hi, I will be your Jabber scribe. If you want a message relayed to the room microphone, please preface it with "mic:"
[09:34:36] <synp> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/slides-101-secevent-set-document-update-00
[09:34:39] <synp> Second slide
[09:37:02] <synp> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/slides-101-secevent-set-token-delivery-00
[09:37:09] <synp> Annabelle Backman presenting
[09:37:22] <synp> Slide #2
[09:38:25] <synp> slide #4
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[09:38:59] <synp> HTTP Poll slide
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[09:43:20] <Justin Richer> phil hunt at the mic, can remote people hear him?
[09:43:35] <Bjorn Hjelm> yes, we can hear Phil/
[09:43:49] <synp> William Denniss @ the mic
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[09:47:04] <synp> Phil Hunt
[09:47:43] <mariuss> yes, can hear Phil and other speakers
[09:47:56] <synp> LEif
[09:47:59] <synp> Leif
[09:48:03] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> In the room Phil seems quieter than the others, so it's good that the
stream picks him up with enough gain
[09:48:24] <Justin Richer> ^-- right, that
[09:48:33] <synp> William Denniss
[09:50:39] <mariuss> lost audio
[09:51:00] <synp> You can't hear Yaron?
[09:51:07] <mariuss> nope
[09:51:24] <mariuss> I could for a few seconds then audio dropped completely
[09:51:46] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> Are you using meetecho or the standalone stream?
[09:51:51] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> The standalone audio stream works for me
[09:51:53] <Justin Richer> is that better?
[09:52:03] <synp> Could you hear me at the mic?
[09:52:03] <Justin Richer> Yaron switched mics
[09:52:06] <mariuss> audio back
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[09:53:11] <synp> Phil Hunt
[09:55:39] <mariuss> I am using standalone stream btw
[09:56:36] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> In the past I've experienced rebuffering events in poor network
conditions when using the standalone audio stream, as a potentially
unrelated data poinit.
[09:58:34] <Justin Richer> off-mic Leif says he doesn't think it'll be a problem
[09:59:09] <mariuss> no MTI is will not be a problem?
[09:59:49] <synp> You can make both of them MTI
[10:00:07] <synp> That just raises the floor on implementation complexity
[10:00:20] <Justin Richer> Leif's comment was making both of them MTI won't be a problem [with the iesg]
[10:00:46] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> [obligatory note that MTI is not mandatory-to-use]
[10:01:29] <mariuss> go it, thanks
[10:02:46] <synp> "HTTP Poll by Proxy"
[10:08:21] <synp> Phil Hunt
[10:09:12] <synp> Ben Kaduk (AD)
[10:12:04] <synp> === Some hums
[10:12:42] <synp> John Bradley
[10:13:20] <synp> Phil Hunt
[10:25:31] <synp> === Now really humming
[10:27:12] <synp> : need single method
[10:27:14] <synp> (crickets)
[10:27:27] <synp> : have clear enought def for two methods
[10:27:32] <synp> (quite audible)
[10:27:58] <synp> ===> Go with no MTI or two MTI (but not one)
[10:28:02] <synp> Justin
[10:28:48] <synp> : Both push and poll should be MTI
[10:28:52] <synp> (audible)
[10:29:00] <synp> : Neither (no MTI)
[10:29:07] <synp> (somewhat louder)
[10:29:36] <synp> Mike Jones (MS)
[10:30:04] <synp> Annabelle (Amazon)
[10:30:53] <synp> Justin Richer
[10:36:21] <mariuss> mic: Marius Scurtescu happy to stay editor of push
[10:37:57] <mariuss> mic: currently there is little commonality between the two methods
[10:39:50] <synp> : yes, we should split the delivery draft in two
[10:39:55] <synp> (quite audible)
[10:40:01] <synp> : Leave as one document
[10:40:18] <synp> (also audible)
[10:40:41] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> Leave as one sounded like three people humming fairly loudly.
[10:40:44] <synp> .
[10:40:44] <synp> .
[10:40:44] <synp> .
[10:40:44] <synp> .
[10:40:45] <synp> .
[10:40:45] <synp> .
[10:40:45] <synp> .
[10:40:51] <synp> [Warning: PPT file] https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/slides-101-secevent-subject-identifier-types-00
[10:41:04] <synp> Annabelle again
[10:41:34] <synp> Reminder: I am your Jabber scribe. If you want a message relayed to the room microphone, please preface it with "mic:"
[10:54:15] <Justin Richer> @meetecho formal presentations are done so you can probably point the camera to the room mic
[10:54:32] <meetecho> Done (y)
[10:54:47] <Justin Richer> (Y)
[10:58:42] <mariuss> mic: transport was used as an example to guide the value of exp, no transport injection was meant, replay attacks are a real issue regardless of transport method
[11:00:01] <synp> exp=?
[11:00:17] <mariuss> exp = expiration claim
[11:00:25] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> "exp" is the jwt claim of the same name as used in SET
[11:04:13] <meetecho> Ehm, we'd love to capture the mic line, but there's someone in front of the camera :)
[11:04:38] <meetecho> Ok, all good now!
[11:08:34] <mariuss> mic: recommending against exp is the issue; and yes, differentiating against Id Tokens is an open issue
[11:08:51] <mariuss> mic: I did not ask for exp to me must
[11:08:59] <mariuss> to be must
[11:13:07] <mariuss> mic: a separate claim sounds good, jti expiration is not transport specific, a claim that defines jti expiration belongs next to jti and not in a different layer
[11:16:10] <mariuss> mic: transmitters have retry strategies and periods that the receiver cannot easily take into account if it decides on its own for how long to track jti
[11:18:14] <synp> Phil is talking from the room mic
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[11:18:26] <synp> Meetecho: Can you turn back to the room mic?
[11:18:43] <synp> Tnx!
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[11:21:59] <synp> ...and we're done.
[11:22:04] <mariuss> thanks everyone
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