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Monday, December 12, 2022< ^ >
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[16:04:09] <zulipbot> (Raymond Lutz) testing chat
[16:04:22] <zulipbot> (Hannes Tschofenig) test
[16:04:56] <zulipbot> (Raymond Lutz) can pop out the chat too.
[16:05:28] <zulipbot> (Henk Birkholz) +1
[16:08:36] <zulipbot> (Hannes Tschofenig) https://github.com/ietf-scitt/draft-birkholz-scitt-software-supply-chain-use-cases/pull/8/files
[16:15:13] <zulipbot> (Hannes Tschofenig) Let me try restart my browser
[16:17:54] <zulipbot> (Ned Smith) The content being displayed is too small to read
[16:20:11] <zulipbot> (Orie Steele) Thank you, found it.
[16:22:10] <zulipbot> (Neal McBurnett) I'm so happy that with meetecho we can see chat messages from before we joined the meeting!!
[16:26:05] <zulipbot> (Neal McBurnett) I agree with Charlie that a gentle intro/rollout to meetecho would be helpful. But it looks powerful and well-integrated to me so far.
[16:26:34] <zulipbot> (Raymond Lutz) Maybe we can continue to use the meeting notes that have been done in googledocs at first
[16:26:47] <zulipbot> (Ned Smith) https://ws.conf.meetecho.com/conference/?group=1a895fcd-3a7f-4dda-8162-1541d3234d98
[16:27:06] <zulipbot> (Ned Smith) https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/technology/meetecho-guide-participant/
[16:27:19] <zulipbot> (Orie Steele) Be grateful it's not IRC... thats what W3C uses.
[16:27:32] <zulipbot> (Dick Brooks) Links in chat don't seem to work.
[16:27:45] <zulipbot> (Ned Smith) https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF-Meetecho-Documentation.pdf
[16:28:08] <zulipbot> (Raymond Lutz) maybe there is a training video for meetecho
[16:28:21] <zulipbot> (Dick Brooks) Problem found - it's only seems to be true in full screen mode - I had to exit full screen mode to use some features
[16:28:34] <zulipbot> (Ned Smith) I use microsoft Edge browser on Mac
[16:29:13] <zulipbot> (Orie Steele) I recommend not using Safari, it does not implement many modern web standards. Edge or Chrome or FireFox on macOS tend to work better.
[16:30:52] <zulipbot> (Raymond Lutz) I found this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SPRhhHAg2I
[16:31:05] <zulipbot> (Raymond Lutz) How to use meetecho.
[16:34:47] <zulipbot> (Neal McBurnett) @dick: Links in chat work fine for me
[16:38:43] <zulipbot> (Orie Steele) +1 to merging!
[16:40:29] <zulipbot> (Dick Brooks) FYI: FCC Commissioner Barr raised the issue of app store trustworthiness in the Apple/Google anti-trust case underway: https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-389977A1.pdf
[16:42:40] <zulipbot> (Neal McBurnett) What is the status of moving the use case draft to a working group document?
[16:43:09] <zulipbot> (Henk Birkholz) Feel free to Review and potentially approve PR #8
[16:43:54] <zulipbot> (Henk Birkholz) Thanks, Brian ☺️
[16:46:43] <zulipbot> (Dick Brooks) Except from Commissioner Barr's letter re: trust in app store apps  - supply chain use case scenario: "the decisions by Apple and Google to keep TikTok in their app stores despite the clear violation of app store policies and risks to consumers shows that the companies are not operating those lines of businesses to promote trust, safety, or privacy. Rather, Apple and Google are engaged in conduct that they have determined will advance their own economic interests—even in cases when doing so puts consumers at risk."
[16:47:14] <zulipbot> (Kiran Karunakaran) https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/scitt/meetings/
[16:47:43] <zulipbot> (Kiran Karunakaran) All SCITT Working group meetings can be found here. Please add it to your calendar
[16:49:04] <zulipbot> (Henk Birkholz) Current sw use cases r now merged into main of https://ietf-scitt.github.io/draft-birkholz-scitt-software-supply-chain-use-cases/draft-birkholz-scitt-software-use-cases.html
[16:49:17] <zulipbot> (Neal McBurnett) @dick I don't see how SCITT might fit in there. Unless you want governments to use SCITT to file statements that they have reviewed particular artifacts and found them illegal for certain jurisdictions under certain circumstances, which would seem to imply a pretty intricate policy language.
[16:50:03] <zulipbot> (Neal McBurnett) With MeetEcho, how do we save the chat log to our local system?
[16:54:20] <zulipbot> (Neal McBurnett) Thanks, @henk. Will the ID name change to draft-scitt-....?  Sorry if I've missed something - I haven't properly caught up yet!
[16:54:42] <zulipbot> (Dick Brooks) @Neal I'm assuming someone will implement a SCITT Trust Registry focused on providing consumers with Trust Declarations for apps in app stores and other software from other distribution sites, i.e. GitHub
[16:55:43] <zulipbot> (Dick Brooks) A consumer could query the Trust Registry to see if TikTok is trustworthy and who is claiming it to be trustworthy.
[16:56:55] <zulipbot> (Brian Knight) @Neal, the chat log is saved here: https://jabber.ietf.org/jabber/logs/scitt/2022-12-12.html
[16:58:07] <zulipbot> (Neal McBurnett) @Dick But who would app stores be required to rely on for a generic notion of "trust"??
[16:58:49] <zulipbot> (Neal McBurnett) Thanks, Brian!
[16:59:02] <zulipbot> (Kiran Karunakaran) https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/scitt/meetings/
[16:59:15] <zulipbot> (Neal McBurnett) I'm loving MeetEcho so far!
[17:00:42] <zulipbot> (Kiran Karunakaran) Also please delete the Zoom invites off your calendar :)
[17:01:01] <zulipbot> (Henk Birkholz) Bye!
[17:01:14] <zulipbot> (Henk Birkholz) Happy holidays!