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[12:55:49] <Jeff Tantsura> Can you hear me?
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[12:56:41] <Jeffrey Haas> we can
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[12:56:46] <Mark Baushke> yes, we can hear you
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[12:56:55] <Jeff Tantsura> thanks
[12:56:56] <Bruno Rijsman> mecri
[12:56:59] <Bruno Rijsman> yes
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[13:01:15] <Jeff Tantsura> I can hear you
[13:01:31] <Bruno Rijsman> Jeff T, you have to ask for video and audio separately
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[13:03:48] <aretana> Yes, jabber is up.
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[13:09:17] <Pascal Thubert> taking notes in https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-ietf-108-rift?both
[13:09:34] <Pascal Thubert> Will not record Bruno's video ;)
[13:09:38] <Pascal Thubert> Link there please?
[13:09:47] <Bruno Rijsman> yes, the link is in the agenda
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[13:11:39] <Pascal Thubert> cool thanks!
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[13:33:18] <Praveen Mada> Negative Route Advertisement make sense only during the default route
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[13:37:54] <Jeffrey Haas> I had an ancient nanog post talking about the bgp consequences of what would happen if ISPs that blackholed stuff actually distributed that info into bgp.
[13:38:07] <Jeffrey Haas> My comment at the time was "negative state doesn't scale well"
[13:38:28] <Tony Przygienda> nope, it does not in a sense but it scales much better than positive disaggregation in massive failures
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[13:38:35] <Tony Przygienda> and that's why Pascal got his way ;-)
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[13:38:59] <Jeffrey Haas> for a fabric, the problem is a bit better constrained. :-)
[13:39:07] <Tony Przygienda> the trick is that unless you have a very poorly connected fabric all the way t o the bottom and massive failures the negative does NOT percolate down
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[13:39:36] <Tony Przygienda> also, without sense of direction disaggregation is basically a loosing battle since it's not clear how to topologically sort the graph
[13:39:56] <Tony Przygienda> and worse, whatever sorting you choose would need to be uniform across all nodes
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[13:40:18] <Jeffrey Haas> making it work for BGP would play hell with LPM lookups.
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[13:40:47] <Bruno Rijsman> can hear jeffrey but not sandey
[13:40:49] <Tony Przygienda> ;-) well, some people die by port 179 no matter what problem they face but that's fair as well
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[13:41:47] <Jeffrey Haas> I suspect it carries to rift as well, but I need to watch the presentation again and read the spec.
[13:42:47] <Mark Baushke> I understand they stop at end-time +10 minutes
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[13:45:25] <Bruno Rijsman> PS: Link to video = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhiiTDPuku0
[13:45:45] <Tony Przygienda> video worked very well BTW
[13:46:49] <Bruno Rijsman> yes, knock on wood (because the tech support team told us that MeetEcho officially does not support pre-recorded video with audio). I think the agendas would be much tighter if more people pre-recorded for these virtual-only meetings.
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[13:48:55] <Tony Przygienda> good luck with that ;-) and then why have chairs? point of having 50-100 people in a room is to steer discussions & see level of interest, allow clarifications and so on
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[13:49:31] <aretana> It would be even better if people looked at the videos (read the drafts) beforehand…and we used the time for discussion.
[13:49:33] <Bruno Rijsman> Still live discussion of course after the presentation. As far as I know it is already common etiquette to ask questions at the end
[13:50:13] <Tony Przygienda> all depends on group of course. people don't read draft, maybe they'll watch videos. interesting topic for next WG chairs chat with AD
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[13:51:03] <aretana> Yes. That was a general comment, not specific to this WG. I do agree that the video worked very well.
[13:51:17] <Jeffrey Haas> slides are low barrier to quick overview on a subject. "read the draft" for something complicated is a non-trivial investment of time. You can only speed up a video so fast.
[13:51:32] <Jeffrey Haas> and not everyone puts together as polished a video as you do, bruno
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