- Monday, 25 July 2011

repute@jabber.ietf.org

Monday, 25 July 2011< ^ >

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[16:23:28] <rolf.sonneveld> test
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[18:11:20] <rolf.sonneveld> Test
[18:11:37] <cm-msk> hi rolf
[18:11:50] <rolf.sonneveld> Hi, Murray, just testing connectivity.
[18:12:14] <cm-msk> yep
[18:12:40] <rolf.sonneveld> I'm spending holidays in the UK. Is it correct that the session starts in one hour from now?
[18:12:55] <cm-msk> yes
[18:13:12] <cm-msk> i think the main thing will be that we're looking for people to work on editing the documents
[18:13:20] <rolf.sonneveld> OK, then see you in an hour :)
[18:13:23] <cm-msk> they don't want me to own all six of them
[18:13:25] <cm-msk> yep :)
[18:16:16] <rolf.sonneveld> Well, you're doing a wonderful job editing all those documents! But I can imagine you would like others to participate as well. I would like to join and do part of the editing, but let's see who else volunteers. And maybe there should be some formal discussion first to determine whether a new WG with charter etc. will be formed?
[18:17:37] <cm-msk> it's a requirement really to spread the work around
[18:17:44] <cm-msk> if i'm doing all the work, there's no need for a WG
[18:17:51] <rolf.sonneveld> :-)
[18:17:57] <cm-msk> the formal discussion is in an hour
[18:18:11] <cm-msk> that's where the area directors observe the work and the interest and decide if a WG is warranted
[18:18:18] <cm-msk> and gauge the number of people willing to do the work
[18:18:22] <cm-msk> the real work :)
[18:18:52] <rolf.sonneveld> Well, if I remember how difficult it was to charter the DKIM wg, it's not in advance clear there will be a new WG, although I hope there's enough interest and participation.
[18:19:17] <cm-msk> yeah
[18:19:21] <cm-msk> well, we'll know in a couple of hours :)
[18:19:30] <rolf.sonneveld> Yep. See you in an hour.
[18:19:36] <cm-msk> it might be that if there's no WG, i put it through the APPS open area
[18:19:48] <cm-msk> or just do it as me, but not standards track
[18:20:10] <rolf.sonneveld> Good idea. But let's first see what will happen tonight/this afternoon.
[18:20:21] <cm-msk> yup
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[19:09:12] <Simon Perreault> is this the overflow room? ;)
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[19:13:04] <Barry Leiba> Audio OK, Jim?
[19:13:13] <sm> Yes, Barry
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[19:14:45] <fenton> Yes, the audio is great. Are the slides online anywhere?
[19:15:11] <Barry Leiba> Meeting materials page.
[19:15:12] <Barry Leiba> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/81/materials.html
[19:15:35] <fenton> ah, of course. Thanks.
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[19:20:32] <JavierUbillos> Is there some slide up? If so, which?
[19:20:42] <resnick> Draft Charter
[19:20:45] <fenton> currently slide 14
[19:20:46] <JavierUbillos> Thanks.
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[19:22:24] <JavierUbillos> Hmm, I just pulled up the .txt. Where can I find the slides?
[19:22:33] <resnick> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/81/slides/repute-0.pdf
[19:22:35] <fenton> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/81/materials.html
[19:22:37] <JavierUbillos> (They'r not in the wiki (ietf81 wiki))
[19:22:43] <JavierUbillos> Thank you.
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[19:26:37] <rolf.sonneveld> +1 to Nathaniels comment
[19:26:58] <fenton> Title and parts of the charter sound like a very general reputation service, while most of this discussion sound like they're talking about something email specific.
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[19:27:30] <fenton> "trustworthiness of content" could also refer to the accuracy of information on a website, for instance.
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[19:28:03] <fenton> "reputation" could also refer to quality of food in a restaurant, for instance.
[19:28:08] <Barry Leiba> Jim, shall I channel you?
[19:28:16] <fenton> Sure, if you think appropriate.
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[19:30:30] <linyi> is this reputation BOF?
[19:30:34] <JavierUbillos> Yes.
[19:30:45] <linyi> ok, thanks.
[19:31:11] <linyi> i think the current scope is very broad if the identifier could be anything
[19:31:15] <fenton> either safety of information on a website, or the accuracy of the information.
[19:32:34] <JavierUbillos> Audio at http://ietf81streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf/ietf808.m3u
[19:34:32] <JavierUbillos> Did audio die for any one else?
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[19:34:42] <sm> No, it is working, restart?
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[19:35:01] <rolf.sonneveld> Audio is now good here
[19:35:13] <fenton> My audio has been perfect
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[19:36:54] <fenton> Having common protocols for retrieving reputation makes it more market driven, since providers would be speaking the same syntax at least.
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[19:52:55] <rolf.sonneveld> Apart from switching providers there will also be consumers who use multiple different providers and weigh the results.
[19:52:56] <fenton> I think we can have syntax compatibility, but trying to get compatibility in the values is dancing awfully close to that "secret sauce" that's out of scope.
[19:53:10] <Barry Leiba> I think I agree.
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[20:01:50] <fenton> Ah, but was ADSP trivial compared with this space?
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[20:06:27] <rolf.sonneveld> Question: should a subscription/push model be part of the scope, in addition to the retrieval of reputation information?
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[20:09:43] <rolf.sonneveld> Big consumers of DNSNL
[20:09:48] <rolf.sonneveld> sorry
[20:10:19] <fenton> <raises hand tentatively>
[20:10:30] <rolf.sonneveld> <raises hand too>
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