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[04:58:22] <Antoin Verschuren> This is the REGEXT working Group.
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[05:10:49] <Scott Hollenbeck> 2 weeks is fine.
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[05:22:03] <George Michaelson> this reverse search for LEA, feels like a good fit for Oauth mediated access to have differentiated services.
[05:22:29] <James Galvin> +1 George.
[05:22:30] <Scott Hollenbeck> Agreed, George
[05:22:32] <George Michaelson> implement conforming reverse search, and privacy locked info in forward and reverse, then enable LEA to get the data they need, which in normal circumstances is withheld
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[05:24:23] <George Michaelson> The primary pushback-signal came from Stephae B who isn't here right now. I guess he understands EU/LEA mandated requirements notwithstanding his privacy concern
[05:24:30] <George Michaelson> (stephane)
[05:24:41] <Mario Loffredo> absoluyely george
[05:24:46] <Mario Loffredo> absolutely
[05:26:28] <Jim Reid> LEA access is exempt from European Data Protection legislation/regulation.
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[05:28:01] <George Michaelson> to be capable of being exempted in a protocol. it has to be identified against other access.
[05:28:13] <George Michaelson> or, access is not in the protocol, but some other mechanism
[05:28:58] <Peter Koch> LEA access is only 'exempt' if it has legal grounds, not on the basis of generic 'legitimate interest'
[05:29:27] <Jim Reid> I agree George.
[05:29:49] <Ali Hussain> draft-irtf-hrpc-guidelines
[05:30:25] <Ali Hussain> This is draft from hrpc to list guideline
[05:30:58] <Peter Koch> all-in-all, this is very much policy rather than protocol
[05:31:16] <Jim Reid> You're right Peter. However I doubt it'll be possible for registries to differentiate between LEA access for legal grounds or generic 'legitimate interest': eg bad faith action by law enforcement.
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[05:33:38] <Peter Koch> it is unclear to me why this would have to be an IETF standards track document
[05:34:11] <Jim Reid> @ Peter, yup. IMO, just document the (location specific?) policy issues and explain why they can't be done in the protocol.
[05:34:44] <Peter Koch> requirements (wishliusts) would be very jurisdiction specific anyway
[05:35:13] <Jasdip Singh> Section 4 in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7481 also gives some guidance on privacy.
[05:36:06] <Richard Wilhelm> typically a service needs to comply with relevant law and also in compliance with its own privacy policy
[05:36:16] <Jasdip Singh> +1
[05:36:33] <Antoin Verschuren> The document is to specify the technical how to do a reverse search. So that is technical protocol. The why to do it or privacy concerns is only a section but it shouldn't specify policy, just mention that thos implementing this extension should think about it.
[05:37:02] <Mario Loffredo> Agreed
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[05:38:58] <Peter Koch> @Antoin: the "how" is already guided by non-uniform policy, so it is a bit brave to claim that it's just a technical document
[05:40:39] <Richard Wilhelm> currently terms of use is frequently disclosed in "notices"
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[05:48:50] <Antoin Verschuren> To subscribe to our mailinglist: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/regext
[05:49:57] <James Galvin> Thanks Antoin.
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[05:52:35] <Gavin Brown> there was also an inventory of registration data elements that fed into the development of RDAP
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[05:59:44] <Jim Reid> Is unrenew an EPP issue or something to be fixed in the registry's business logic?
[06:02:52] <George Michaelson> This sounds like an event based model. Useful to audit the reasoning for un-doing things maybe, not to roll up 6 mistaken renews as one undo(6) but to undo each one, atomically
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[06:04:45] <Jay Daley> .uk does have an unrenew https://registrars.nominet.uk/uk-namespace/registration-and-domain-management/registration-systems/epp/epp-commands/#unrenew
[06:05:55] <Gavin Brown> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brown-epp-reverse-00
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[06:11:29] <James Gould> The protocol is pretty straight forward but the policy is not.
[06:15:18] <Jim Reid> Understatement of the year Jim. :-)
[06:16:46] <Alexander Mayrhofer> Jim G., i believe that statement would make nice T-Shirts for the next f2f IETF :P
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[06:18:59] <James Gould> I'm going to take T-Shirt orders soon :-)
[06:19:30] <Alexander Mayrhofer> You know that any benefits from that business venture have to go into free beer for regext participants!
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[06:26:53] <Mario Loffredo> For anyone who might be interested in testing the java jcard-2-jscontact conversion library I implemented: https://github.com/consiglionazionaledellericerche/jscontact-tools
[06:27:03] <Mario Loffredo> Any feedback is welcome
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[06:35:03] <Jay Daley> The comms team has been busy and your t-shirt is ready to order https://www.customink.com/ndx/?cid=pnv0-00cc-a5un#/welcomeBack
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[06:44:11] <Jody Kolker> Nice Jay....
[06:45:09] <James Gould> Awesome, Jay will get the copyright first.
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[06:46:43] <Tom Harrison> forgot to mention: arin do include content in their redirects already, along the lines of this document, for redirects to other rirs
[06:51:38] <Alexander Mayrhofer> And the LORD spake, saying, "Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out." ;)
[06:52:51] <Roger Carney> +1 Gould
[06:54:52] <Peter Koch> YES, Antoin!
[06:55:18] <Jim Reid> The limit should be 11 docs - obligatory Spinal Tap reference
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[06:56:35] <Richard Wilhelm> Thanks to our Co-Chairs... well-prepared and well-run!
[06:56:50] <Scott Hollenbeck> Good session!
[06:56:50] <Jody Kolker> thanks everyone!
[06:57:04] <Jim Reid> Yes - great job co-chairs
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[06:57:17] <Roger Carney> Thanks All
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