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[20:16:08] marco@nl has set the subject to: Welcome at IETF95, Meetecho is here: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf95/regext
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[20:38:26] <Tony Hansen> @meetecho, I'm hearing a bad hum
[20:38:27] <Antoin Verschuren> Auch, that sound hurts!
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[20:38:43] <Meetecho> Tony Hansen: fixing that
[20:38:49] <Alexander Mayrhofer> Morning everyone
[20:38:59] <James Gould> me too
[20:39:01] <Jim Galvin> sitting here as chair
[20:39:15] <Jim Galvin> not sure how to meetecho in the room??
[20:39:20] <Jim Galvin> computer here is non-responsive
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[20:39:31] <Meetecho> Jim Galvin: you don't need to join yourself
[20:39:40] <Meetecho> that laptop is just for displaying the remote queue
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[20:40:04] <Antoin> is jabber relayed both ways?
[20:40:14] <Antoin> Ah, yes, ok
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[20:41:07] <marco@nl> Hi, I am Marco, I will be your scribe for this session
[20:41:11] <marco@nl> Agenda: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/regext/agenda?item=agenda-95-regext.html
[20:41:18] <Tony Hansen> @meetecho, do you know of a browser that will work with meetecho on an iPad ?
[20:41:34] <Alexander Mayrhofer> Any chance to get proper sound?
[20:41:43] <marco@nl> working on it
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[20:41:57] <Jim Galvin> mic green light is on but not working in the room
[20:42:00] <Tony Hansen> @meetecho, the hum turned into the bottom of a pool of water
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[20:42:56] <Jim Galvin> @meetecho - no audio in the room
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[20:43:01] <Antoin Verschuren> I think there's a rogue microfone hanging around somewhere ;-) :p:D
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[20:45:44] <marco@nl> Jim Galvin and Antoin Verschuren (remotely), the chairs are kicking off.
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[20:46:21] <Alexander Mayrhofer> Looks good!
[20:46:24] <Antoin Verschuren> slides are ok when you present them on screen Jim.
[20:46:45] <Antoin Verschuren> Though I lost video now.
[20:46:56] <Antoin Verschuren> ah, back
[20:47:14] <Jim Galvin> meetecho see slides as they are displayed in the room right?
[20:47:21] <Antoin Verschuren> yes
[20:47:21] <Meetecho> yep
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[20:48:45] <marco@nl> Outgoing area-director receives the traditional, ceremonial bottle of… beer
[20:49:43] <marco@nl> up next:
[20:49:47] <marco@nl> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay/
[20:49:49] <marco@nl> Scott on the mic
[20:51:36] <marco@nl> Jim is referring to https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-koch-dnsop-dnssec-operator-change-06
[20:53:03] <marco@nl> next up: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase/
[20:53:23] <James Gould> Yes the dependency on draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-func-spec is key
[20:53:25] <marco@nl> next up: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-func-spec/
[20:53:35] <Alexander Mayrhofer> Antoine`?
[20:53:42] <marco@nl> G. Lozano presenting remotely
[20:53:56] <James Gould> Gustavo
[20:54:04] <Antoin> No, I’m on mute!
[20:55:20] <James Gould> I agree with putting them up together
[20:55:26] <Gustavo Lozano_2> Agree
[20:55:42] <marco@nl> No hands in the room
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[20:56:21] <marco@nl> Ulrich is volunteering
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[20:58:04] <marco@nl> Next remote presenter: Gavin
[20:59:26] <marco@nl> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brown-epp-fees/
[21:00:44] <Alexander Mayrhofer> We are working on an implementation, which should go into production end of May
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[21:08:13] <marco@nl> on the mic: Scott
[21:08:33] <James Gould> Option C
[21:08:55] <James Gould> Although more complex I believe it met my needs and the needs of the Regisrar
[21:08:59] <Alexander Mayrhofer> I have to talk to my developers, but my personal preference right now would be B
[21:09:16] <Antoin Verschuren> Marco please relay
[21:09:20] <Alexander Mayrhofer> I consider C pretty confusing
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[21:09:50] <James Gould> I could go with B as well :-)
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[21:11:38] <James Gould> I agree
[21:11:46] <Alexander Mayrhofer> Agree
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[21:12:27] <James Gould> I agree once the check command is updated based on Option B
[21:13:23] <marco@nl> next up: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-mapping/
[21:14:10] <Gavin Brown> Thanks everyone, now I am going to attend to my crying baby :)
[21:14:33] <James Gould> Thanks Gavin
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[21:15:23] <Lorenzo Miniero> :)
[21:17:29] <James Gould> Yes, the reseller is an organization so there is no need for another org field is needed
[21:19:07] <James Gould> relay: The question is what should happen with the different status values.  I would not want to make it too complex for tagging the reseller information.
[21:19:16] <marco@nl> on the mic: Ulrich
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[21:21:15] <Alexander Mayrhofer> I agree partly with Ulrich - this is not necessarily a technical problem, and the IETF will not solve it ...
[21:21:22] <James Gould> Do the registrars have the need to query for the registrar information?  We created a whoinfo EPP extension to provide basic registrar information in support of transfers.
[21:22:23] <James Gould> Yes, the purpose is to tag the objects with reseller information.  
[21:26:12] <James Gould> the rdap-status-mapping can go to last call unless there are any issues.
[21:26:17] <DanYork> Are we still on  https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-mapping/ ?
[21:26:34] <marco@nl> No, Linlin just ended her presentation
[21:27:09] <DanYork> Okay, so are we in ". RDAP Nameserver objects and Registrar Expiration Date" now?
[21:27:19] <Antoin Verschuren> The next set of presentations is about documents not in our charter yet. That is what Jim tries to explain now.
[21:27:23] <marco@nl> Some administrative matters now, by Jim
[21:27:31] <marco@nl> up next is indeed item 5-8 of the agenda
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[21:28:00] <marco@nl> up next: 5 <http://tools.ietf.org/wg/regext/agenda?item=agenda-95-regext.html#section-5>. RDAP Nameserver objects
[21:28:12] <marco@nl> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lozano-ietf-eppext-registrar-expiration-date/
[21:28:25] <DanYork> Ah, thanks... I'm monitoring from another room.  Interested in coming up for number 7 (to no surprise, perhaps... :-) )
[21:28:29] <marco@nl> Francisco channeling for Gustavo
[21:29:28] <James Gould> relay: I question item #1, which the Draft Thick Whois Consensus Policy states to use the RRA whois, whiich includes a single expiration date field and not two.  
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[21:32:11] <James Gould> relay: the login services should not be used to define server behavior.  It should be used solely to coordinate the extensions supported.  
[21:32:27] <Alexander Mayrhofer> Agree with James
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[21:32:54] <Gustavo Lozano_2> the idea is to make implementations on the Registrar side easier..
[21:33:09] <Alexander Mayrhofer> But it's making implementation on Registries harder!!
[21:33:37] <Gustavo Lozano_2> we could have a flag to indicate that the Registrar wants to keep both in sync..
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[21:34:28] <James Gould> The extension should define the appropriate set of flags to explicitly specify the intent and don't overload the purpose of the login services.  
[21:34:31] <Alexander Mayrhofer> Or, if it's provided by the registrar, then published by the registry. If not, then the registry MAY copy the existing exDate
[21:34:48] <James Gould> Or Registrar Paid to Date
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[21:35:23] <marco@nl> on the mic: ulrich
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[21:35:49] <Gustavo Lozano_2> @Alexander, in the gTLD make it makes sense.. but in ccTLDs you may have two modes: show nothing, show in sync..
[21:36:20] <Alexander Mayrhofer> James was right - don't overload the login with semantics.
[21:36:24] <Antoin Verschuren> Relay: [no hats] I agree with Scott. There has been much discussion on this concensus policy within ICANN, asking for the registrar expiry date to be removed. If ICANN needs to change their consensus policy to not require a registrar expiry date, what would be the need for this draft?[/no hat]
[21:37:41] <James Gould> The extension should be expicit and not use the login services to implicit change the server behavior
[21:38:42] <marco@nl> on the mic: marcos
[21:38:55] <Gustavo Lozano_2> I will send a proposal with explicit sync signaling to the mailing list..
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[21:43:22] <marco@nl> next up: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lozano-rdap-nameservers-sharing-name/
[21:43:32] <marco@nl> Francisco channeling Gustavo
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[21:46:08] <marco@nl> at the mic: Andrew
[21:46:48] <Antoin Verschuren> relay: [no hats] I had a little conversation with Gustavo about this already.  I see host objects for external hosts (not under the TLD it’s serving) as database pollution with no additional benefit but adding complexity. Especially if the external host is only created once, and the Registrar that created it becomes the sponsoring registrar by default, simply leads to unjust situations due to wrong assumption of ownership.  I would say a better solution for this problem would be for registries to delete all external host objects from their database, and not allow for the creation of new ones. I do realize that being a better solution would also mean more work for registries that now support random host objects creation initially, and it would be quite a long fight to convince them, even if in the end it would mean a simpler process for them as well. I would appreciate some text in the draft that explains this host concept, and that name server sharing can only happen with external hosts. This to prevent crdators of new databases to think twice about using external host objects.  I would like to know what others think of this.
[21:48:43] <marco@nl> at the mic; andrew
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[21:49:19] <Antoin Verschuren> James and Francisco: Correct
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[21:50:19] <marco@nl> end of agenda-item 5
[21:50:43] <marco@nl> next up: 6 <http://tools.ietf.org/wg/regext/agenda?item=agenda-95-regext.html#section-6>. Federated Authentication (Scott)
[21:50:51] <marco@nl> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap-openid/
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[21:54:58] <marco@nl> here are today's jabber-logs: http://www.ietf.org/jabber/logs/regext/2016-04-04.html
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[22:03:19] <marco@nl> https://rdap.verisignlabs.com/
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[22:04:14] <Alexander Mayrhofer> "File no found" on the traceback URL, unfortunately... at least with Firefox...
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[22:09:33] <Alexander Mayrhofer> Update: my fault - was a 404 because of an unregistered name :)
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[22:10:08] <marco@nl> :-)
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[22:15:06] <marco@nl> 🍻
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[22:17:03] <Francisco Arias> link to the Policy Development Process that Scott mentioned https://community.icann.org/display/gTLDRDS/Next-Generation+gTLD+Registration+Directory+Services+to+Replace+Whois
[22:18:05] <marco@nl> end of agendaitem 6
[22:18:20] <marco@nl> next up: 3rd Party DNS operator to Registrars/Registries Protocol - Ólafur Guðmundsson
@DanYork
[22:18:31] <marco@nl> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-latour-dnsoperator-to-rrr-protocol/
[22:19:15] <DanYork> marco@nl: THANK YOU.  I'm in the room.
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[22:28:42] <marco@nl> on the mic: John?
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[22:29:13] <marco@nl> on the mic: Dan
[22:29:17] <Jacques Latour> Who was that?
[22:29:45] <Jacques Latour> K
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[22:32:56] <marco@nl> end of agendaitem 7
[22:33:11] <marco@nl> up next: item 8, Contact and domain verification
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[22:33:37] <marco@nl> presenting: Linlin Zhou
[22:33:46] <marco@nl> also representing Wei Wang/
[22:34:08] <marco@nl> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhou-eppext-contact-verification/
[22:34:15] <marco@nl> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wang-eppext-domain-verification/
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[22:36:36] <marco@nl> Meeting materials can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/95/agenda.html
[22:40:37] <marco@nl> Jim is closing the session - thank you all!
[22:40:54] <marco@nl> minutes can be found here: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/regext/minutes
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[22:40:57] <marco@nl> AOB ?
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[22:41:45] <Antoin Verschuren> This is a new working group! Just the first session :D:)
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[22:42:25] <Antoin Verschuren> Thank you very much Marco and Ulrich!
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[22:42:38] <marco@nl> 👍🏽
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