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[14:24:04] <Wojciech Kozlowski_web_872> Looking for a volunteer for:
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[14:29:11] <Robin Wilton_web_349> Hi Wojciech - I can Jabber scribe if needed.
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[14:29:23] <Wojciech Kozlowski_web_872> Thanks Robin!
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[14:29:32] <Robin Wilton_web_349> I would normally volunteer to take notes, but QIRG makes my head explode as it is ;^,
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[14:30:22] <Robin Wilton_web_349> Folks who aren't familiar with the protocol: if you type a comment here in the chat and would like me to relay it verbally via the mic, please start the comment with "mic:"
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[14:31:36] <Darren Dukes_web_768> I can type minutes but I'm a first-time attendee unfamiliar with the current set of drafts... I'm sure there is a better candidate..
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[14:32:26] <Sean Turner_web_159> drop them here and there might be help: https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-ietf-110-qirg#
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[14:32:41] <Robin Wilton_web_349> Darren, do you now about the note-taking tool? (third button from the left, in the Meetecho window)
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[14:32:46] <Robin Wilton_web_349> *knnow
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[14:32:52] <Darren Dukes_web_768> Yep
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[14:32:57] <Sean Turner_web_159> I'll help
[14:32:59] <Darren Dukes_web_768> I added the first line :)
[14:33:00] <Robin Wilton_web_349> *know  ... darn it ;^,
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[14:33:25] <Sean Turner_web_159> Kids are danger close though hence "help" ;)
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[14:33:53] <Robin Wilton_web_349> But Sean, the label says "always keep away  from children"!
[14:34:04] <Yaakov Stein_web_606> 101 and 110 are both "bits" (but not qubits)
[14:34:24] <Robin Wilton_web_349> :joy:
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[14:37:05] <Sean Turner_web_159> All I know was that I was told "do not shake them"
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[14:37:19] <Robin Wilton_web_349> lol
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[14:37:34] <Robin Wilton_web_349> Do not shake or stir.
[14:37:52] <Robin Wilton_web_349> Do not fold, spindle  or  mutilate...
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[14:54:18] <Robin Wilton_web_349> Isn't Stage 2 there to accommodate "long distannce" via a quantum state exchange mechanism (based on Bell pairs, IIRC)?
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[14:55:35] <Robin Wilton_web_349> Ah - OK, I think Kireeti just described what I was thinking of.
[14:56:43] <Kireeti Kompella_web_383> rod, i'll volunteer to read this document as a naive non-expert
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[14:57:14] <Robin Wilton_web_349> @Rod So will I (and my qualifications are even slimmer than Kireeti's ! ;^)  )
[14:57:51] <Sean Turner_web_159> Now you're on the hook :) - Noted in the minutes
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[14:58:39] <Yaakov Stein_web_606> In https://qutech.nl/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Quantum-internet-A-vision.pdf stage 2 is defined as "prepare and measure networks"
[14:58:39] <Kireeti Kompella_web_383> shoot -- always saying the quiet things out loud :(
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[14:59:37] <Robin Wilton_web_349> @Kireeti It's OK,  we can edit  the minutes too  ;^o
[14:59:45] <Kireeti Kompella_web_383> AHA!
[15:00:26] <Sean Turner_web_159> @robin HAHA!
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[15:01:08] <Robin Wilton_web_349> @Wojciech if "QI by cargo ship" was just a different mode of physical distribution, it doesn't alter the principles in any relevant way...
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[15:02:24] <Joey Salazar_web_871> where are those proposals going?
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[15:02:53] <Alexandre Petrescu_web_821> Is "Quantum Internet" a network of quantum computers or is it a quantum network of classical computers?
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[15:03:28] <Robin Wilton_web_349> @Wojciech if you have a reference doc for "cargo ship" that's more than just a news article, I'd be happy to take a look for consistency.
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[15:03:48] <Robin Wilton_web_349> thx
[15:03:48] <Yaakov Stein_web_606> cargo ship https://arxiv.org/pdf/1410.3224.pdf
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[15:04:37] <Robin Wilton_web_349> Thanks Yaakov
[15:05:01] <Kireeti Kompella_web_383> thanks, Yaakov -- sounds like IP by avian carrier :)
[15:05:12] <Yaakov Stein_web_606> maritime carrier
[15:05:24] <Robin Wilton_web_349> There's also this, from Sep 2019: https://www.revyuh.com/news/science-and-research/scientific-research/japan-successfully-launched-cargo-ship-iss/
[15:06:07] <Alexandre Petrescu_web_821> IP by avian carrier was demonstrated literally, there's a youtube video.
[15:06:13] <Colin Perkins_web_805> Schrödinger’s carrier pigeon
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[15:07:00] <Emmanuel Baccelli_web_523> Rodney can you post a link to the satellite experiment you mentioned?
[15:07:15] <Emmanuel Baccelli_web_523> thanks!
[15:07:32] <Kireeti Kompella_web_383> a quantum network of quantum computers
[15:07:51] <Rodney Van Meter_web_775> @Emmanuel https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/china-reaches-new-milestone-in-space-based-quantum-communications/
[15:07:58] <Rodney Van Meter_web_775> One random place to start.
[15:08:10] <Rodney Van Meter_web_775> They have published a series of papers using the satellite.
[15:08:15] <Diego Lopez_web_861> Exactly, I'd talk more of a network connecting quantum devices than quantum computers
[15:08:24] <Rodney Van Meter_web_775> Jian-Wei Pan is the program leader.
[15:08:42] <Emmanuel Baccelli_web_523> thanks Rodney for the link!
[15:09:19] <Sean Turner_web_159> clipping pretty badly
[15:09:32] <Alessandro Amirante_web_911> Alexandre: sorry I stopped your video as your audio was breaking
[15:11:15] <Kireeti Kompella_web_383> "We plan to merge state-of-the-art quantum technology with prevailing internet technology to interconnect quantum computers coherently over a quantum internet that coexists with and leverages the vast existing infrastructure that is our current Internet,” said Waks
[15:12:07] <Kireeti Kompella_web_383> https://ireap.umd.edu/news/story/umd-to-lead-1m-nsf-project-to-develop-a-quantum-network-to-interconnect-quantum-computers
[15:12:25] <Jonathan Hammell_web_810> Please give more than two weeks.  Four weeks is better.
[15:12:26] <Yaakov Stein_web_606> there is a show of hands tool if you want
[15:13:01] <Sean Turner_web_159> question: who will review in next 4 weeks ;)
[15:13:20] <Sean Turner_web_159> ack
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[15:13:34] <Sean Turner_web_159> Always a good forcing function
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[15:13:46] <Kireeti Kompella_web_383> i won't know until I read it :)
[15:14:04] <Joey Salazar_web_871> Last call reviews are usually 2 weeks long I think
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[15:14:20] <Sean Turner_web_159> @Joey that is correct it usually 2
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[15:14:24] <Anders Kölligan_web_375> Just read the abstract again: I might be mistaken about the nomenclature but the abstract says the stack should account for "new properties of quantum entanglement" but to my understanding the draft also talks about features of quantum mechanics that are not strictly constrained to quantum entanglement. Are all features we would like to see in a quantum internet related to entanglement?
[15:14:34] <Robin Wilton_web_349> The Show of Hands is the "bar chart" icon; 5th button from the left in the Meetecho  interface.
[15:14:47] <Sean Turner_web_159> Then again reviews come in when they come in ;)
[15:15:54] <Alexandre Petrescu_web_821> "Are all features we would like to see in a quantum internet related to entanglement?" - for my part, I would like to telnet into a computer that has a quantum coprocessor, and encrypt a text message on it so strongly that no other quantum computer could break.  It might be a naive desire, I agree.
[15:16:14] <Colin Perkins_web_805> Sounds reasonable – two weeks may be a little short with the IETF meeting
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[15:16:35] <Martin Thomson_web_242> isn't "this isn't ready for LC" a perfect last call comment?
[15:16:57] <Emmanuel Baccelli_web_523> it's OK to have more than 2 weeks for the LC
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[15:17:10] <Emmanuel Baccelli_web_523> I've seen that many times in the past
[15:17:22] <Emmanuel Baccelli_web_523> (when deemed useful)
[15:17:52] <Martin Thomson_web_242> I note that the author count exceeds the number generally accepted by editorial policy for the RFC series.
[15:17:59] <Robin Wilton_web_349> @Martin "Please pre-register your comments"...
[15:18:02] <Martin Thomson_web_242> But it is not nearly so bad as this paper.
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[15:20:14] <Sean Turner_web_159> Is this the repo for the principles I-D: https://github.com/Wojtek242/draft-irtf-qirg-principles
[15:20:28] <Wojciech Kozlowski_web_872> @Sean: yes
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[15:20:46] <Robin Wilton_web_349> @Rod I haven't read it, but it looks like a good addition to the reading list.
[15:20:55] <Sean Turner_web_159> thanks
[15:21:11] <Kireeti Kompella_web_383> is QuIC like a media converter for qubits?  (my brain need classical analogies!)
[15:22:41] <Stavros Kousidis_web_854> https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/quantum
[15:23:09] <Stavros Kousidis_web_854> The EU Quantum Technologies Flagship Program
[15:23:22] <Stavros Kousidis_web_854> 10^9 Euro
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[15:23:46] <Yaakov Stein_web_606> A bit old (2018) and a bit generic : "The quantum technologies roadmap: a European community view" https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1367-2630/aad1ea
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[15:25:58] <Stavros Kousidis_web_854> EuroQCI is THE european project for quantum communication infrastructure
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[15:27:13] <Stavros Kousidis_web_854> https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/news/future-quantum-eu-countries-plan-ultra-secure-communication-network
[15:27:22] <Kireeti Kompella_web_201> okay, thanks ... will read
[15:27:34] <Joey Salazar_web_837> a presentation given at the previous IETF gave an overview of current quantum computing infrastructure around the world, might be helpful checking that out @Siyu Tang
[15:27:37] <Sean Turner_web_159> Really need a new acronym :)
[15:27:59] <Alexandre Petrescu_web_821> "is QuIC like a media converter for qubits? (my brain need classical analogies!)" - I thought the QUIC protocol as in the transport protocol QUIC :-)
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[15:29:32] <Jonathan Hammell_web_810> spin bit vs qubit ;)
[15:29:34] <Robin Wilton_web_349> Thanks everyone - very interesting again
[15:29:37] <Joey Salazar_web_837> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/109/materials/slides-109-qirg-mdi-qkd-quantum-internet-00 slide 5
[15:29:38] <Kireeti Kompella_web_201> need to pay attention to the case :)
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[15:30:12] <Sean Turner_web_159> NP
[15:30:12] <Robin Wilton_web_349> Most welcome!
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[15:30:15] <Joey Salazar_web_837> thank you!
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[15:30:17] <Will Finigan_web_971> Thank you!
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[15:30:21] <Colin Perkins_web_805> Thanks!
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[15:30:22] <Kireeti Kompella_web_201> cheers, all.  will entangle with you all mar 24
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[15:31:09] <Rodney Van Meter_web_775> Don't forget the seminar coming up!
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[15:31:15] <Rodney Van Meter_web_775> See you in a couple of weeks.
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