Wednesday, June 1, 2022< ^ >
cabo has set the subject to:
Room Configuration
Room Occupants

[13:57:41] cabo joins the room
[14:50:08] Thorben Krüger_web_305 joins the room
[14:50:08] Corine de Kater_web_668 joins the room
[14:53:15] Nicola Rustignoli_web_785 joins the room
[14:54:43] Cyrill Krähenbühl_web_124 joins the room
[14:58:38] Jordi Subirà Nieto_web_392 joins the room
[14:58:49] Brian Trammell_web_499 joins the room
[14:58:53] Antoine Fressancourt_web_140 joins the room
[14:59:20] Jelte Jansen_web_921 joins the room
[14:59:23] Erik Kline_web_287 joins the room
[14:59:23] Nicolai Leymann_web_710 joins the room
[14:59:29] Juan-Carlos Zúñiga_web_104 joins the room
[14:59:44] Adrian Perrig_web_207 joins the room
[15:00:47] Suresh Krishnan_web_819 joins the room
[15:00:55] Matthias Frei_web_474 joins the room
[15:00:55] Alvaro Retana_web_364 joins the room
[15:01:46] Yingzhen Qu_web_255 joins the room
[15:01:53] David Millman_web_543 joins the room
[15:02:00] Ralph Giles_web_448 joins the room
[15:02:38] Carsten Bormann_web_907 joins the room
[15:02:50] Chi-Jiun Su_web_129 joins the room
[15:02:56] Colin Perkins_web_348 joins the room
[15:03:01] Yingzhen Qu_web_255 leaves the room
[15:03:05] Yingzhen Qu_web_781 joins the room
[15:03:21] Spencer Dawkins_web_745 joins the room
[15:03:47] Tommy Pauly_web_462 joins the room
[15:03:48] Mat Ford_web_986 joins the room
[15:06:32] <Jelte Jansen_web_921> we'll get there :)
[15:06:54] Mirja Kühlewind_web_868 joins the room
[15:07:14] <Brian Trammell_web_499> this is why i gave myself five minutes for the agenda and intro :D
[15:11:03] Xavier de Foy_web_381 joins the room
[15:13:29] Yingzhen Qu_web_781 leaves the room
[15:13:33] Yingzhen Qu_web_415 joins the room
[15:17:20] Warren Kumari_web_619 joins the room
[15:18:14] Kenneth Calvert_web_356 joins the room
[15:19:19] Karoline Kokken_web_110 joins the room
[15:20:21] Karoline Kokken_web_110 leaves the room
[15:20:25] Karoline Kokken_web_376 joins the room
[15:23:13] Karoline Kokken_web_376 leaves the room
[15:25:06] Yingzhen Qu_web_415 leaves the room
[15:25:10] Yingzhen Qu_web_927 joins the room
[15:26:22] Yingzhen Qu_web_927 leaves the room
[15:26:26] Yingzhen Qu_web_524 joins the room
[15:27:47] <Erik Kline_web_287> was there, say, a SCION interop/developer table at the 113 hackathon?
[15:28:15] <Nicola Rustignoli_web_785> Not that I'm aware of
[15:28:41] <Erik Kline_web_287> :thumbsup:
[15:28:58] <Mirja Kühlewind_web_868> no it's the weekend again
[15:29:04] <Mirja Kühlewind_web_868> was in Viienna
[15:29:55] Mat Ford_web_986 leaves the room
[15:29:59] Mat Ford_web_470 joins the room
[15:31:24] <Erik Kline_web_287> Is it easy for developers/tinkerers to play with it natively?  (I went looking for, say, and EtherType on the IANA page...)
[15:31:48] Alvaro Retana_web_364 leaves the room
[15:33:23] Alvaro Retana_web_875 joins the room
[15:33:43] <Ralph Giles_web_448> In a similar vein, what's the status of direct kernel driver support? The only code I found seemed to be oriented toward tunnelling.
[15:33:52] Karoline Kokken_web_874 joins the room
[15:35:16] Philip Eardley_web_188 joins the room
[15:39:11] <zulipbot> (Spencer Dawkins) I'm follow-up to Mirja, so I'll wait until next steps.
[15:39:35] <Brian Trammell_web_499> ek, ralph, should I ask those at the mic?
[15:39:47] <Ralph Giles_web_448> Yes, please.
[15:39:56] <Brian Trammell_web_499> will do, in order. :)
[15:40:19] <Ralph Giles_web_448> :pray:
[15:41:21] <Erik Kline_web_287> brian: if it's context appropriate, thanks.  I'm fairly far behind on SCION knowledge, so don't want to distract this discussion with my current ignorance
[15:45:56] <zulipbot> (Spencer Dawkins) Brian is ALWAYS in queue before me, and that's a good thing.
[15:46:20] <Brian Trammell_web_499> it is indeed context appropriate :)
[15:47:22] <Ralph Giles_web_448> Ok, thanks!
[15:52:07] Tommy Pauly_web_462 leaves the room
[15:52:11] Tommy Pauly_web_239 joins the room
[15:53:25] <Warren Kumari_web_619> Ooooh! Did Spencer just say that "research (IRSG) does the hard parts, and engineering (IETF) just does the protocol parts"?  :-P
[15:53:35] Erik Kline_web_287 wonders about LISP with more PKI bits sprinkled around...
[15:55:05] Philip Eardley_web_188 leaves the room
[15:56:28] <Warren Kumari_web_619> Yes, but they are just here to snark, they don't *do* anything.
[15:59:13] Juan-Carlos Zúñiga_web_104 leaves the room
[15:59:34] <zulipbot> (Spencer Dawkins) Lord Warren -- absolutely not (intentionally). For HIP, it was "what do we know how to do now, and what do we need to invent?"
[15:59:40] <Mirja Kühlewind_web_868> try to figure out if/how existing parts can be re-used or which parts are missing rather than pre-assuming. that and reasoning why other protocols can not be used
[16:00:12] <Mirja Kühlewind_web_868> yes, to Brian!
[16:00:46] <zulipbot> (Spencer Dawkins) Gap analysis is absolutely key to good IETF experiences with new protocol proposals.
[16:01:30] <Mirja Kühlewind_web_868> Again, I know re-using anything existing will not be optimal and for sure less good for some extend but it might still be easier to get work going
[16:02:03] <zulipbot> (Spencer Dawkins) +several to Mirja
[16:04:10] <Mirja Kühlewind_web_868> And regarding panrg: I think documenting deployments (e.g. with gateways) and experience/challenges with that is more interesting than just documenting the scion architecture
[16:05:05] <zulipbot> (Spencer Dawkins) +1 Mirja. It would sure be interesting.
[16:05:26] <Erik Kline_web_287> I'm curious about the difference between "path awareness" and "path awareness dependence" (and which category might better describe SCION)
[16:05:57] <zulipbot> (Spencer Dawkins) So "gap analysis" could be the next draft to PANRG, right?
[16:06:22] Mat Ford_web_470 leaves the room
[16:07:17] Jordi Subirà Nieto_web_392 leaves the room
[16:07:49] <zulipbot> (Spencer Dawkins) Also +1 Brian on negative results/roads not taken
[16:11:14] <Jelte Jansen_web_921> muted again brian
[16:11:41] <Mirja Kühlewind_web_868> I don't like the term gap analysis because it often just ends up in a lengthly way to say "why we want to use our own new protocol". But if you honestly can identify existing components that you can adopt, potentially extend and re-use that would make starting new work much easier.
[16:12:32] <Mirja Kühlewind_web_868> so it's not about the gaps, it's about the part to re-use and how to extend them
[16:16:39] Antoine Fressancourt_web_140 leaves the room
[16:20:40] <zulipbot> (Spencer Dawkins) (Not just the Scion bunch working on it)
[16:21:16] Kenneth Calvert_web_356 leaves the room
[16:21:20] Kenneth Calvert_web_986 joins the room
[16:21:23] Adrian Perrig_web_207 leaves the room
[16:21:50] Tommy Pauly_web_239 leaves the room
[16:21:54] Tommy Pauly_web_725 joins the room
[16:22:11] Nicolai Leymann_web_710 leaves the room
[16:23:02] Thorben Krüger_web_305 leaves the room
[16:26:07] Kenneth Calvert_web_986 leaves the room
[16:33:11] <Mirja Kühlewind_web_868> march is asia
[16:33:20] <Mirja Kühlewind_web_868> sf is july
[16:33:37] <Nicola Rustignoli_web_785> Thank you all for the great inputs!
[16:33:46] <Mirja Kühlewind_web_868> Thanks!
[16:34:10] Alvaro Retana_web_875 leaves the room
[16:36:29] <Jelte Jansen_web_921> and thank you for presenting this!
[16:36:44] <Colin Perkins_web_348> Thanks everyone – this was a really interesting discussion
[16:36:50] Yingzhen Qu_web_524 leaves the room
[16:36:51] <Suresh Krishnan_web_819> Thanks all!
[16:36:54] Suresh Krishnan_web_819 leaves the room
[16:36:57] Chi-Jiun Su_web_129 leaves the room
[16:36:58] Tommy Pauly_web_725 leaves the room
[16:37:01] Mirja Kühlewind_web_868 leaves the room
[16:37:02] Cyrill Krähenbühl_web_124 leaves the room
[16:37:03] Corine de Kater_web_668 leaves the room
[16:37:03] Xavier de Foy_web_381 leaves the room
[16:37:06] Warren Kumari_web_619 leaves the room
[16:37:06] David Millman_web_543 leaves the room
[16:37:07] Matthias Frei_web_474 leaves the room
[16:37:20] Jelte Jansen_web_921 leaves the room
[16:37:30] Colin Perkins_web_348 leaves the room
[16:37:37] Ralph Giles_web_448 leaves the room
[16:37:40] Erik Kline_web_287 leaves the room
[16:37:42] Karoline Kokken_web_874 leaves the room
[16:37:46] Nicola Rustignoli_web_785 leaves the room
[16:37:47] Carsten Bormann_web_907 leaves the room
[16:38:01] Brian Trammell_web_499 leaves the room
[16:38:21] Brian Trammell_web_420 joins the room
[16:39:01] Brian Trammell_web_420 leaves the room
Powered by ejabberd - robust, scalable and extensible XMPP server Powered by Erlang Valid XHTML 1.0 Transitional Valid CSS!