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[01:00:41] <Gonzalo> The meeting is starting!
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[01:01:10] <Cullen> Intersting we are not hear anything on remote audio
[01:01:21] <Bruce Lowekamp> I have it fine

[01:01:23] <Marc Petit-Huguenin> I am hearing fine.
[01:01:23] <Gonzalo> There are some problems with the media servers
[01:01:25] <Cullen> oh I hear doave now
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[01:04:59] <Gonzalo> David is presenting the concepts draft
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[01:06:21] <Cullen> Any chance to have the slides shared in webex ?
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[01:07:14] <Gonzalo> Cullen: I guess that will be possible... but the chairs are handling that at this point.
[01:08:10] <EKR> I have to send comments, but I prefer to remove the history
[01:08:48] <Bruce Lowekamp> I don't find history that interesting, but motivation for why we wound up where we did is useful.  The path isn't (except for historians)
[01:10:06] <Cullen> If anyone wants to help minutes, you can do it real time at 
[01:10:07] <Cullen> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1V65NRU77VHzvWKBy6Y0DPeYsisWnDUlohb1QMp2YhFc/edit?hl=en&authkey=CLPHzv8N
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[01:12:36] <Rosen, Brian> what is the webex meeting number?
[01:13:00] <Gonzalo> Ekr starts his remote presentation.
[01:14:44] <Gonzalo> 969765636
[01:16:49] <Gonzalo> http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2010/11/07/cultura/1289161844.html
[01:17:10] <Gonzalo> Wrong link... you can get the webex information from:
[01:17:16] <Gonzalo> http://www.ietf.org/private/webex-host-keys.html
[01:17:37] <Gonzalo> https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=148485402&UID=0&RT=MiM0NQ%3D%3D
[01:18:20] <Cullen> If all else fails to to workgreen.webex.com
[01:18:34] <Cullen> then join meeting 33
Meeting number:  
969 765 636


[01:18:34] <Rosen, Brian> I'm in, thanks
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[01:22:37] <wolfgang.beck01> Slide 11, Direct Response Routing and ICE
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[01:25:10] <wolfgang.beck01> Slide 12
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[01:26:58] <wolfgang.beck01> Slide 13
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[01:28:47] <wolfgang.beck01> Slide 15
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[01:31:34] <wolfgang.beck01> Slide 16
[01:32:40] <wolfgang.beck01> Slide 2
[01:34:54] <Rosen, Brian> Brian says, YES, we will wait a bit for some comments
[01:38:11] <wolfgang.beck01> presentation DISCO
[01:38:14] <gcamaril> Disco presentation about to start
[01:38:25] <gcamaril> As long as they find a speaker!
[01:38:29] <wolfgang.beck01> speaker not present?
[01:38:38] <gcamaril> The presenter does not seem to be in the room.
[01:39:04] <gcamaril> SMNP usage presentation instead
[01:39:09] <wolfgang.beck01> presentation SNMP usage
[01:39:44] <gcamaril> It turns out it is easier to organize a remote presentation than an on-site presentation :)
[01:40:05] <wolfgang.beck01> slide Challenges..
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[01:46:47] <wolfgang.beck01> slide Design considerations
[01:48:12] <wolfgang.beck01> slide Node connecting..
[01:49:31] <wolfgang.beck01> slide Network manager connecting..
[01:50:34] <wolfgang.beck01> slide Open Issues
[01:52:30] <wolfgang.beck01> slide Next Steps
[01:52:55] <EKR> For the mic: I have several comments here: (1) this seems to significantly overlap with diagnostics. are you suggesting we replace that one (2) as I said on the list, I don't see that people are going to want you to have any configuration/writing on their p2p nodes, so this seems like it should be primarily limited to read-only.
[01:53:43] <EKR> and if you have a real managed network, why would you just not use straight snmp.
[01:57:56] <wolfgang.beck01> spencer dawkins at mic
[01:58:14] <EKR> I have, obviously.
[01:58:19] <Marc Petit-Huguenin> I have too.
[01:58:25] <Cullen> I have 
[01:58:25] <wolfgang.beck01> 4 readers of the draft
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[02:02:50] <Cullen> whoever spoke before Roni was really quiet at mic 
[02:03:00] <EKR> I think it was wolfgang
[02:06:13] <wolfgang.beck01> I just remarked that a service provider needs means to find out what's going on in the p2p sip network when a customer complains, and that the draft needs more usage examples
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[02:07:02] <EKR> can someone explain what's new here in the disco stuff? the draft hasn't changed, right/?
[02:07:05] <wolfgang.beck01> [keep falling of the WLAN]
[02:07:19] <wolfgang.beck01> slide Status
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[02:08:45] <wolfgang.beck01> slide Problem:..
[02:09:44] <EKR> For the microphone: why not tie the resource ID to the public key?
[02:10:21] <Cullen> Huh - I thought that was sort of what they did 
[02:10:43] <EKR> Yes.
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[02:11:29] <EKR> well, I don't want to have a big argument over jabber, but it's not clear why "alice-conference-123356" is better than "87aabecece"
[02:12:31] <Cullen> Just as FYI for folks in the room - we have a pretty significant delay on what the remote people hear
[02:13:01] <wolfgang.beck01> you mean, life typing would still be faster than audio?
[02:13:38] <wolfgang.beck01> slide Probelme: Trust delegation(2)
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[02:13:49] <Cullen> well - we hear X on audio and even if we instantly respond to it via jabber, it somethig liek 30 seconds after you heard it in the room
[02:13:53] <Cullen> Like I just heard next slide
[02:14:24] <wolfgang.beck01> ok, thats quite a delay..
[02:14:43] <EKR> I think cullen is lying. When I was on skype it seemed more like 20 seconds :)
[02:15:21] <Cullen> Well I am slow due to lack of coffee
[02:15:40] <wolfgang.beck01> Sldie Conference state sync
[02:15:52] <Cullen> he said nex slide now
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[02:16:45] <wolfgang.beck01> is the multichannel delay difference measurement BoF :-)
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[02:17:04] <wolfgang.beck01> slide event pkg overview
[02:17:13] <wolfgang.beck01> slide offer/answer
[02:18:15] <wolfgang.beck01> slide Opinions
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