[17:15:39] Dan York joins the room [19:47:09] lowekamp@gmail.com joins the room [19:49:35] Hi Bruce! [19:49:54] Imagine meeting you here... [19:51:42] :-) [19:58:21] Now whether or not we have anyone in the room from SF remains another question :-) [19:59:48] jani-h joins the room [20:00:53] xiaohunhun joins the room [20:01:43] Cullen Jennings joins the room [20:02:00] still getting a scribe [20:02:02] richard.barnes joins the room [20:02:07] Adam Roach joins the room [20:02:09] zoil joins the room [20:02:41] ysuzuki joins the room [20:02:43] shamus joins the room [20:03:18] wolfgang.beck01 joins the room [20:03:38] Agenda slide [20:04:23] Reload status presentation [20:04:41] Eric Rescorla [20:05:22] wolfgang.beck01: Thanks for scribing [20:05:39] Adam is the man and just fixed the presentation [20:05:41] Slide changes since msp [20:07:39] Slide dynamic configuration fie updating [20:08:34] Slide quasi-flood [20:09:41] Henning S @ mike [20:11:18] Vidya N @ mike [20:11:32] Slide config doc signing [20:11:34] lorgr25 joins the room [20:14:01] Slide addition of new kinds [20:15:33] vidya n @ mike [20:17:11] enrico joins the room [20:17:15] Slide example syntax [20:17:48] Slide defined access control policies [20:19:03] David Bryan @ mike [20:21:17] Cullen Jennings @ mike [20:21:30] dwillis joins the room [20:21:36] Gonzalo joins the room [20:21:39] Vidya N @ mike [20:21:52] Henning S @ mike [20:22:50] Slide open issues w this approach [20:23:04] suzukisn joins the room [20:23:20] So henning made comment on the access control policy that we need matrix to try and sort out the orthogonal parts and make sure that we cover the part of the space that is needed in systematic way. Just want to save this note so I see it later. [20:24:00] Vidya N @ mike [20:26:27] Slide storage security model [20:26:51] ..Security goal [20:27:09] Henning S @ mike [20:28:05] Richard Barnes @ mike [20:29:24] Slide distributed quota [20:29:51] victor.pascual joins the room [20:30:08] Henning S @ mike [20:31:49] Saumitra Das @ mike [20:32:07] Henning @ mike [20:32:42] yg joins the room [20:34:58] Adam Roach leaves the room: Computer went to sleep [20:35:28] xiaohunhun leaves the room [20:35:28] momose joins the room [20:36:45] Cullen Jennings @ mike [20:39:31] Vidya N @ mike [20:41:35] Henning agrees, without going to the mike [20:41:52] Slide remove REMOVED [20:42:21] enrico leaves the room [20:42:25] this is about time that where discussion on adding a new auth policy that allowed anyone to write ended [20:43:16] Slide transport, reliability [20:43:37] ggb joins the room [20:44:54] Henning S @ mike [20:47:36] wang.russell77 joins the room [20:49:43] Philip Matthews @ mike [20:51:19] Cullen Jennings @ mike [20:51:30] Philip M @ mike [20:52:09] Cullen and Philip arguing [20:53:08] Henning @ mike [20:53:58] vidya joins the room [20:54:23] vidya leaves the room [20:54:32] Line at mike cut off [20:57:21] eburger joins the room [20:59:01] Saumitra Das [20:59:39] Vidya N @ mike [21:00:36] General request, could we please have more people involved in the list discussions? It's hard to judge interest and concerns with only a few participants. [21:01:03] Henning S @ mike [21:01:34] Could we have a little more text in the Jabber room? I don't have the mp3 feed :-( [21:02:10] Francois Audet @ mike [21:02:43] Henning @ mike [21:03:06] Would like to clarify that there is nothing controversial in TSV about an application creating a new UDP protocol. It's required that it address congestion and reliability. The real question is whether there is a simple protocol that can achieve sufficient performance for (at least some) p2psip deployments. [21:03:21] Typing this from a small device [21:03:37] Henning is asking for RFC5405 [21:03:43] i am in line to read bruce coment [21:04:10] ..So i'm not fast enough for details [21:04:22] understood. Thanks for volunteering! [21:05:17] Philip Matthews @ mike [21:06:37] ?@mike [21:07:07] Lisa Dusseault joins the room [21:07:16] Rémy at mic [21:07:47] Thx, didnt remember the name [21:08:01] Cullen Jennings @ mike [21:08:13] vidya joins the room [21:08:40] Please ask people in room to read RFC5405 [21:09:36] Vidya N @ mike [21:10:20] Presentation p2psip diagnostics [21:10:31] Song Haibin [21:10:42] Slide Goal [21:11:06] Slide measurement metrics [21:11:48] Slide sub code for error codes [21:12:59] sandoche2k joins the room [21:13:41] Henning S @ mike [21:15:56] Slide security on echo method [21:17:09] David Bryan as individual @ mike [21:17:43] jjones joins the room [21:17:55] Eric Rescorla @ mike [21:18:48] Eric R @mike [21:19:57] Roni Even @ mike [21:20:15] ggb leaves the room [21:20:19] momose leaves the room [21:20:44] jjones leaves the room: Disconnected [21:20:53] Eric R @ mike [21:21:56] Cullen Jennings @ mike [21:24:06] Roni Even @ mike [21:25:13] Slide attacks w diagnostics [21:26:23] Slide merge diagnostics usage [21:27:20] Eric rescorla @ mike [21:27:37] Vidya @ mike [21:28:26] Roni Even @ mike [21:29:03] Cullen Jennings @ mike [21:29:25] Eric rescorla @ mike [21:31:12] Presentation jiang-relay-01 [21:31:26] Roni Even [21:31:37] Slide SRR [21:31:53] SLIDE RPR [21:32:04] Slide DRR [21:32:30] Slide relay peer and turn server [21:33:12] Slide advantages [21:33:25] Cullen Jennings @ mike [21:33:56] Slide relay peer and turn server [21:34:07] Slide advantages [21:35:40] Slide rpr/drr benefit [21:36:33] Slide key points of the extension [21:37:41] Slide open questions [21:38:50] Slide next steps [21:38:53] lorgr25 leaves the room [21:39:24] Vidya @ mike [21:40:12] Cullen Jennings @ mike [21:40:43] Vidya @ mike [21:41:43] Cullen @ mike [21:43:37] I support this as a separate draft/extension, although I believe it needs further evolution (as discussed some at the mic) and believe it is reasonable to ensure that the base draft has sufficient extensibility to let a separate draft define this behavior. ( I think 99% of this extensibility is already there.) [21:45:30] Vidya @ mike [21:46:40] Adam Roach @ mic [21:47:11] Eric Rescorla @ mic [21:47:27] zoil leaves the room [21:47:51] victor.pascual leaves the room [21:47:59] Vidya @ mic [21:48:48] jjones joins the room [21:49:24] (No need to relay, but yes, this is getting to be a VERY big document.) [21:50:58] yg leaves the room [21:51:02] eburger leaves the room [21:51:05] Saumitra Das @ mic [21:51:31] jjones leaves the room: Disconnected [21:51:53] Presentation self tuning [21:52:03] Journi [21:52:23] Slide background 1/2 [21:53:43] Ning Zong @ mic [21:54:11] Slide background 2/2 [21:55:12] Be righg back [21:55:37] Lisa Dusseault leaves the room [21:55:40] Slide Self-tuning DHT (1/2) [21:56:35] wolfgang.beck01 leaves the room [21:57:13] Steve at the mic [21:57:53] wolfgang.beck01 joins the room [21:58:12] Back again [21:58:19] Slide Self-tuning DHT (2/2) [21:58:37] Back again [22:00:27] No need to relay, but this seems like an interesting idea. [22:00:58] Bye all! Drropping offline. [22:01:16] Slide next steps, questions [22:01:31] Cullen Jennings @ mic [22:03:47] Cullen @ mic [22:04:25] The base draft has a section discussing reactive/periodic and the issue that it needs to work in small-scale overlays. [22:05:08] Vidya @ mic [22:05:25] victor.pascual joins the room [22:06:10] getting comments over jabber makes life easier for the note takers :) [22:06:29] Saumitra Das @ mic [22:06:50] Gonzalo Camarillo @ mic [22:07:38] Eric Rescorla @ mic [22:07:46] Gonzalo @ mic [22:08:01] Ning Zong @ mic [22:10:58] @Richard: and i get the angry looks if people disagree.. [22:11:09] Gonzalo @ mic [22:11:33] Henning @ mic [22:12:33] Eric Rescorla @ mic [22:14:04] Gonzalo @ mic [22:14:09] what side was consensus on? [22:14:19] wang.russell77 leaves the room [22:14:20] Mark Watson joins the room [22:14:20] Mark Watson leaves the room [22:14:23] Interesting, in parallel with base [22:14:26] To do it in parallel [22:15:12] Presentation loadbalance-00 [22:15:18] Saumitra Das [22:15:35] Slide need for load balancing [22:17:06] Slide solution: chord extension [22:19:25] Slide suggested approach [22:20:43] Slide design parameter recommendations [22:21:11] anyone know how late are we planning on going here? 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