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I was looking to paste into the notes, but did not find them [19:13:57] I'll get the link [19:14:07] Reload Open Issues (Bruce Lowekamp) [http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/slides/p2psip-0.ppt] [19:14:11] dyork leaves the room: Replaced by new connection [19:14:12] vidya joins the room [19:14:25] Thanks [19:14:28] Use this for all slides https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/73/materials.html [19:14:29] dyork joins the room [19:15:07] Bruce talking about mDNS [19:15:12] pee leaves the room [19:15:17] pee joins the room [19:15:35] James (Witty?) from Apple saying we should put mDNS back in [19:15:48] EKR at mic - we screwed up [19:16:18] James woodyatt [19:16:28] chair asks - anyone here working on mDNS [19:16:43] James Woodyatt volunteered [19:17:04] hum to put it back in? [19:17:08] yes [19:17:16] Slide 9 - TCP-Test [19:18:13] joelja leaves the room [19:19:40] Brian Rosen at mic [19:20:47] joins the room [19:21:01] JDR at mic [19:21:22] David Bryan at mic as an individual [19:22:19] joelja joins the room [19:22:25] Roni Evan at mic [19:22:52] Brian Rosen at mic [19:24:05] me (Dan York) at mic [19:24:55] ldondeti joins the room [19:25:12] EKR at mic [19:26:29] Question for the Jabber room - is there someone else here willing to act as a Jabber scribe when I am up doing my presentation? [19:26:50] I can do so-- no prob [19:27:26] Thanks - who is that? (I'm using iChat for a groupchat for the first time and I can't see names for anyone.) [19:27:36] victor pascual [19:27:43] Thanks [19:27:48] np [19:27:56] dyork just figured out how to change the icons to names [19:28:11] Cullen at mic [19:28:16] Vidya at mic [19:28:18] pee leaves the room [19:28:23] pee joins the room [19:29:06] (?) at mic [19:29:40] Markus at mic - all the mobile phones that would support would also support TLS [19:30:01] (?) at mic again [19:31:11] about to take HUM on TCP-Test [19:31:16] Speaker was Jouni Mäenpää from Ericsson [19:31:25] Keith Drage at mic [19:31:50] EKR at mic [19:32:27] HUM - in favor of leaving TLS? [19:32:32] Yes [19:32:40] stronger consensus in leaving TLS in [19:32:59] Bruce moving on to slide about "Large Messages" [19:33:33] Philip Matthews leaves the room [19:34:31] Vidya at mic [19:36:01] Just to summarize the hums: There were 2 hums. First was to "do nothing" and leave TLS as the only option. Strong hums in favor. Second hum was to implement an insecure mode (with probably a different name). Weaker hums in favor. [19:36:06] David Bryan at mic [19:36:25] EKR at mic [19:37:38] Dan York at mic [19:38:06] Does any one else have MSRP deja vu right now? [19:39:56] Bruce is on AttachLite slide [19:42:18] Cullen is at mic [19:44:53] frodek joins the room [19:45:55] Vidya raised question of how one upgrades a usage that ends up specifying new storage properties [19:47:25] Dan York at mic [19:48:46] Bruce switching to Node Fetch [19:49:00] Node Fetch Discussion (Bruce Lowekamp) [http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/slides/p2psip-1.ppt] [19:49:40] Slide: "Motivation" [19:50:08] For the record, I was asking the question: who is looking at implementing this? Several hands were raised. [19:50:38] where "this" = "P2PSIP" [19:50:51] Slide 4: Options with Store/Fetch [19:51:49] victor@iptel.org [mailto:victor@iptel.org]: I have to step out for a moment... if you could scribe until I return, that would be appreciated. (Thanks) [19:52:09] sure [19:52:41] on slide 5 [19:52:42] slide 5- proposal for nodefetch [19:53:15] (?) at mic [19:53:19] Saumitra Das [19:53:55] pee leaves the room [19:54:02] ekr at mic [19:54:09] pee joins the room [19:56:59] chair question [19:58:21] ekr at mic [19:59:25] next presentation [19:59:49] An extension to RELOAD to support Direct Response and Relay Peer draft-jiang-p2psip-relay-00.txt [20:00:03] ( jiangxingfeng ) [20:00:48] slide 1- history [20:01:11] mlm.michael.miller leaves the room [20:01:34] slide 2- relationship SRR and DRR/RPR [20:02:41] slide 3- nat [20:04:05] (slides: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/slides/p2psip-4.ppt) [20:04:39] slide 4- concerns [20:06:01] slide 5- extensions to reload [20:06:43] slide 6- extensions to reload (2) [20:08:14] slide 7- open issue (service discovery) [20:08:36] slide 8- next step (wg adoption) [20:09:03] chair: include in the base draft vs separate document [20:09:10] answer: separate [20:09:11] mlm.michael.miller joins the room [20:09:33] vidya at mic [20:10:08] bruce at mic [20:11:30] ekr at mic [20:11:49] bruce at mic [20:12:24] ted at mic [20:13:46] akoba joins the room [20:13:54] roni at mic [20:14:04] Scott McGlashan joins the room [20:14:05] akoba leaves the room [20:14:33] bruce at mic [20:15:54] vidya at mic [20:16:13] CJ at mic [20:16:43] jiang_xing_feng leaves the room [20:17:44] I'll be up shortly speaking and my slides are at: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/slides/p2psip-2.pdf [http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/slides/p2psip-2.pdf] [20:17:44] dwd joins the room [20:18:33] dwd is now known as Dave Cridland [20:18:36] roni at mic [20:19:16] CJ at mic [20:19:33] (we are on slide 8: wg adoption) [20:19:49] hum: include the DR as an option in the protocol? [20:20:09] result: consensus for including it [20:20:38] bruce at mic [20:21:09] ekr at mic [20:22:28] For a summary of this, I have: [20:22:30] First hum: whether or not we include direct routing as an option in the protocol (not worrying about what draft): result was consensus for including it in the protocol. Second question: do we know enough yet to make the other decisions (e.g. relay peers and discovery)? There seemed to be no objection to continuing list discussion, rather than deciding today. [20:22:36] Any additions I should get to that? [20:23:06] thanks ted [20:23:32] Gonzalo joins the room [20:23:39] next presentation: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/slides/p2psip-2.pdf [20:23:47] Dan York [20:23:50] pee leaves the room [20:24:04] slide 2: why [20:24:17] pee joins the room [20:24:47] slide 3: current status [20:25:21] slide 4: structure [20:25:34] slide 5: planned work [20:26:29] Slide 6: Open Issue 1- Should this continue to exist as a separate draft? 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