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David Partain has set the subject to: OPS Area Meeting, IETF76, Hiroshima
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[06:26:30] <LeeHoward> Sorry for bouncing. I think I'm here now.
[06:27:36] <LeeHoward> Scott Bradner: i2apm docs probably don't belong here
[06:27:54] <LeeHoward> Fred Baker speaking
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[06:28:25] <LeeHoward> Philip Matthews
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[06:30:25] <LeeHoward> For anyone who's lost, slides are at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/94/materials.html and we're discussing the "Address Pool Management" slides.
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[06:31:49] <LeeHoward> Joel Jaeggli
[06:32:36] <LeeHoward> Phillip's question was whether address management is just a specific case of router configuration. Joel says pool management is a subset of address management. Which is apparently not a solved problem.
[06:33:28] <LeeHoward> Next up: Firewalls in NEtwork Security.  https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/94/slides/slides-94-opsarea-1.pdf
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[06:34:06] <LeeHoward> Sorry, Benoit Claise: keep working on it, even if this isn't the right place. We'll figure out the right place.
[06:34:18] <LeeHoward> Now, Fernando Gont presenting on firewalls.
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[06:36:02] <LeeHoward> Slide 2.
[06:37:35] <LeeHoward> Slide 3.
[06:38:24] <LeeHoward> Slide 4.
[06:39:27] <LeeHoward> Slide 5.
[06:40:49] <LeeHoward> SLide 6.
[06:41:31] <LeeHoward> Slide 7
[06:43:14] <LeeHoward> Slide 8
[06:44:08] <LeeHoward> "Fleming Jason" is what I heard; I don't know him.
[06:45:15] <LeeHoward> Fleming Andraesson
[06:45:18] <LeeHoward> Now on Slide 9
[06:46:37] <LeeHoward> Slide 10
[06:46:43] <LeeHoward> Slide 10
[06:48:15] <LeeHoward> Slide 11
[06:50:52] <LeeHoward> That was me, Lee Howard, at the mic. I'll send a review.
[06:51:23] <LeeHoward> Scott Bradner said to be careful about "perimeter"
[06:51:26] <LeeHoward> Fred Baker
[06:51:37] <LeeHoward> Maybe the title should be "perimeter security"
[06:51:47] <LeeHoward> Scott Bradner: "Perimeter of what?"
[06:51:58] <LeeHoward> Joel Jaeggli
[06:52:27] <LeeHoward> Middlebox taxonomy in IETF is a full contact sport.  There's probably a "big tent" definition of firewall functions.
[06:53:25] <LeeHoward> So, define as "firewall functions"
[06:53:41] <LeeHoward> Fernando responds.  Joel says functional definition may be more expansive.
[06:53:48] <LeeHoward> Al Morton.  
[06:55:15] <LeeHoward> As co-chair of BMWG, once worked on firewall benchmarking doc. Used "content-aware" term. But appreciate desire to keep the conversation tractable. Look for draft-hamilton for interesting docs related to that terminology.
[06:55:26] <LeeHoward> Fleming Andraesson
[06:55:40] <LeeHoward> What's the goal of this draft?
[06:56:18] <LeeHoward> Fernando: Different things you could take away.  See the overview slide (slide 2).
[06:58:22] <LeeHoward> Fleming follows up
[06:58:40] <LeeHoward> Chairs tell us to take it to the list
[06:58:56] <LeeHoward> 4 people have read, 4 more will read
[06:59:19] <LeeHoward> Official end of OPSAWG.  Now to Ops Area Open Meeting
[06:59:57] <LeeHoward> Joel Jaeggli discussing Agenda
[07:00:27] <LeeHoward> Update to IANA Private Enterprise Numbers (PEN) registry.  See draft-liang-iana-pen-06
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[07:01:17] <LeeHoward> Joel says draft is not ready for adoption or AD sponsorship, because author has left IANA; looking for new author from IANA.
[07:01:42] <LeeHoward> Benoit Claise on YANG
[07:02:04] <LeeHoward> (no slides)
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[07:05:07] <LeeHoward> ANdy Beach
[07:05:20] <LeeHoward> Question about versioning.
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[07:07:34] <LeeHoward> Joel Jaeggli again, on hot and cold spots in the Area
[07:07:50] <LeeHoward> Hot spots: DNSOP, BMWG
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[07:09:03] <LeeHoward> Cool spots (less active WGs): OPSAWG, OPSEC
[07:10:34] <LeeHoward> Erik Vyncke will step up as chair of OPSEC.
[07:11:15] <LeeHoward> Scott Bradner to step down after next IETF, so leaving OPSAWG chair open.
[07:11:30] <LeeHoward> Open mic
[07:11:34] <LeeHoward> Dan Romascanu
[07:12:03] <LeeHoward> Why was firewall doc in OPSAWG instead of OPSEC?
[07:12:19] <LeeHoward> Warren Kumari: Good question. Previous firewall doc was here, bnut, er..
[07:12:28] <LeeHoward> Fernando Gont
[07:12:51] <LeeHoward> We weren't sure where to discuss. Went as far as TSVWG. Ended here because of previous doc.
[07:12:55] <LeeHoward> Fred Baker
[07:13:02] <LeeHoward> Also because Warren invited us.
[07:13:09] <LeeHoward> Dan Romascanu
[07:13:45] <LeeHoward> We have in SACM (?) a "Security Vulnerability Report," discussing what operators do. Security use cases.
[07:14:24] <LeeHoward> Joel: You will get mre security focused folks out of OPSEC, but overlap is very high.  
[07:14:37] <LeeHoward> Warren: Okay also to CC OPSAWG.
[07:14:58] <LeeHoward> Fernando Gont
[07:15:58] <LeeHoward> This doc crosses a lot of areas. Hard to coordinate discussion among all those lists.
[07:16:26] <LeeHoward> Al Morton
[07:17:05] <LeeHoward> I (with Kathleen Moriarty) wrote a draft about effects of ubiquitous encryption.  draft-mmwg-effective-encryption or something like that.
[07:17:31] <LeeHoward> It was discussed at IAB GSMA workshop.  Please take a look at it.
[07:17:51] <LeeHoward> Joel Jaeggli
[07:18:23] <LeeHoward> Lots of stuff like that. Satellite providers do clever things with headers and content. It's a unique perspective when it comes to ubiquitous encryption.
[07:18:32] <LeeHoward> In other cases, you lose instrumentation ability.
[07:19:17] <LeeHoward> Al Morton: I'm a satellite operator now
[07:19:29] <LeeHoward> Benoit: I stress this is an important document.
[07:20:05] <LeeHoward> Al Morton: I have some urgency to get this done, since my co-author will soon be unavailable for a while.
[07:20:28] <LeeHoward> Meeting ends.
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