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[20:02:00] <bertwijnen@jabber.psg.com> Hi, I am your jabber scrobe for this session
[20:03:06] <bertwijnen@jabber.psg.com> meeting materials: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/77/materials.html#wg-opsarea
[20:03:19] <bertwijnen@jabber.psg.com> is the sound OK?
[20:03:34] <leo.vegoda> remote sound is good
[20:03:38] <bertwijnen@jabber.psg.com> Dan presenting agenda
[20:03:49] <Mark Ellison> yes sound is good remote
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[20:07:20] <bertwijnen@jabber.psg.com> Andyy Bierman speaking on possible applicability of NetConf in the SMartGrid context.
[20:07:23] <bertwijnen@jabber.psg.com> No slides.
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[20:07:38] <bertwijnen@jabber.psg.com> I am assuming you hear the sound on the audtio
[20:07:50] <leo.vegoda> Yes - he's loud and clear
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[20:18:56] <Bert Wijnen> web ptr for next topic:  http://trac.tools.ietf.org/misc/outcomes/wiki/IetfOperations
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[20:20:09] <Bert Wijnen> IETF outcomes starts now
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[20:24:41] <chris liljenstolpe> I would agree with Ron Bonica on that statement
[20:24:48] <chris liljenstolpe> Hi Wes
[20:25:54] <chris liljenstolpe> Wes, do you have a personal IM for an offline?
[20:29:30] <chris liljenstolpe> I would also concur with that statement
[20:31:10] <Bert Wijnen> Security considerations for YANG modules
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[20:32:46] <Tina TSOU> security consideration for YANG
[20:35:13] <chris liljenstolpe> Does someone have slides for the YANG security slides?
[20:35:52] <Mark Ellison> the text was emailed to the NETMOD WG list
[20:35:59] <Bert Wijnen> -- if you have any writeable data nodes (those are all the
-- "config true" nodes, and remember, that is the default)
-- describe their specific sensitivity or vulnerability.

   There are a number of data nodes defined in this YANG module
   which are writable/creatable/deletable (i.e. config true, which
   is the default).  These data nodes may be considered sensitive
   or vulnerable in some network environments.  Write operations
   (e.g. edit-config) to these data nodes without proper protection
   can have a negative effect on network operations.  These are
   the subtrees and data nodes and their sensitivity/vulnerability:

   <list subtrees and data nodes and state why they are sensitive>

-- for all YANG modules you must evaluate whether any readable data
-- nodes (those are all the "config false" nodes, but also all other
-- nodes, because they can also be read via operations like get or
-- get-config) are sensitive or vulnerable (for instance, if they
-- might reveal customer information or violate personal privacy
-- laws such as those of the European Union if exposed to
-- unathorized parties)

   Some of the readable data nodes in this YANG module may be
   considered sensitive or vulnerable in some network environments.
   It is thus important to control read access (e.g. via get,
   get-config or notification) to these data nodes.  These are the
   subtrees and data nodes and their sensitivity/vulnerability:

   <list subtrees and data nodes and state why they are sensitive>
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[20:36:37] <Mark Ellison> Hello Mr. Dugal!
[20:36:42] <Bert Wijnen> discussion is on the NETMOD mailing list
[20:39:31] <Dave Dugal> Mr. Ellison.  Glad to see you online.
[20:43:58] <Mark Ellison> are slides online?
[20:45:08] <Dave Dugal> Some are: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/77/materials.html#wg-opsarea
[20:46:46] <Mark Ellison> thanks Dave- I think this is the right set: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/10mar/slides/opsarea-1.pdf
[20:47:09] <Mark Ellison> ...slide 9
[20:48:00] <Dave Dugal> Yes.  Slide Title: "Lessons learned"
[20:57:42] <Bert Wijnen> next WG status reports
[20:57:56] <Mark Ellison> NETCONF started in March of 2003  YANG started in December of 2007
[20:59:01] <Bert Wijnen> Randy likes to somehwat exagerate.
[20:59:29] <Bert Wijnen> It is true however that Randy and I started in the early 2000s to discuss CLI replacements in various settings/meetings
[20:59:42] <Bert Wijnen> It indeed also took several years before we got chartered
[20:59:51] <Bert Wijnen> Some of it can be blamed on me if you like
[21:00:47] <Mark Ellison> Okay- that's how we get to 10 years...I don't think there is anything inherent in the YANG modelling language that would prevent it from modelling networks or data centers rather than devices.  
[21:07:26] <Bert Wijnen> Agreed
[21:09:19] <Mark Ellison> I'm interested in helping out on the 'core yang models'
[21:14:52] <Bert Wijnen> pls keep an eye on the calls for participation.
[21:15:08] <Bert Wijnen> Would be good to send an email to ntconf and netmod chaoirs, copy Dan romascanu
[21:18:41] <Mark Ellison> done
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