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[21:22:01] <Lou Berger_web_566> please join us for note taking at https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-ietf-111-netmod?both
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[21:28:07] <Jason Sterne_web_739> Hi guys - I'm marked as a "Participant" but hopefully that still allows me to present ? Will you share slides (my slight preference in case of troubles) or should I ?
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[21:30:12] <Reshad Rahman_web_547> I believe it's the chairs who share slides
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[21:31:04] <Joel Jaeggli_web_914> kent should have the  slide decks all queued up
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[21:31:48] <Tom Hill_web_649> Is Lou's audio breaking-up for all?
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[21:32:00] <Christian Hopps_web_367> the audio is breaking up pretty badly
[21:32:12] <Qin Wu_web_105> same here
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[21:32:17] <Reshad Rahman_web_547> it is breaking up for me but I have bad internet access
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[21:32:32] <Mahesh Jethanandani_web_705> It is for me too.
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[21:32:45] <Joel Jaeggli_web_914> it has improved somewhat
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[21:32:53] <Joel Jaeggli_web_914> kinda sounded like clipping
[21:33:08] <Christian Hopps_web_367> The audio was also bad for me in Raw.. so not sure where the problem is
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[21:39:34] <Carsten Bormann_web_592> Much better than Lou's
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[21:40:01] <Joe Clarke_web_379> Jason sounds smooth and clear to me.
[21:40:13] <Tom Hill_web_649> 10-4
[21:40:18] <Reshad Rahman_web_547> For me too
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[21:40:43] <cabo> S9
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[21:50:10] <Christian Hopps_web_367> +1 KISS
[21:50:50] <cabo> My crystal ball sees many %23 in my future...
[21:51:59] <Reshad Rahman_web_547> Regarding Kent's question, here is the relevant issue: https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues/75
[21:52:13] <cabo> (Are you sure you want a non-URI- and non-shell-compatible character in your filenames?)
[21:55:02] <Michelle Cotton_web_105> Highly suggest you send draft-ietf-netmod-yang-module-versioning to IANA for early review.  I see a lot of guidance that IANA needs to follow.  We want to make sure these instructions are clear and there are no outstanding questions.
[21:55:03] <Robert Wilton_web_911> @Carsten: I'm not sure that we have a quick answer for you, but I've raised https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues/104 to track this so that it doesn't get lost.
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[21:56:43] <Robert Wilton_web_911> @Michelle, yes noted, that is the plan.
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[21:58:02] <Reshad Rahman_web_547> Regarding shell compatibility this was brought up before. I think Jan had done some tests and we decided to keep #
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[21:58:16] <Joe Clarke_web_379> @Carsten as I recall, the URI argument had not bee raised, but we did discuss shell meta, and '#' isn't ideal, but its use wasn't breaking in how we used it with shell.
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[22:02:24] <Mahesh Jethanandani_web_705> If revision label applies only to config data, does it mean that 'config false' data should be in a different module/file?
[22:03:49] <Mahesh Jethanandani_web_705> s/data/node/
[22:05:23] <Will Hawkins_web_868> so, Semver itself wasn't following semver? :-)
[22:06:19] <Mahesh Jethanandani_web_705> Did not understand how the revision-label will apply only to part of the module and not the other.
[22:11:55] <cabo> I haven't read the drafts — is adding a value to an enum BC or NBC?
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[22:14:26] <Joe Clarke_web_379> Adding enums is backwards compatible provided the old values do not change.
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[22:15:02] <cabo> Coming in via HF 7.4 MHz
[22:15:15] <Lou Berger_web_462> @rashad can you type your question here?
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[22:15:24] <cabo> Joe: Thanks.
[22:16:11] <Reshad Rahman_web_547> My comment was that the reason we are bringing up this issue of A/B/C again is that there was some traffic on the alias recently stating that we shouldn't do A
[22:16:22] <Pedro Martinez-Julia_web_342> Small and isolated changes are always better, so option "C" would be the best.
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[22:20:33] <Robert Wilton_web_911> @Mahesh, the revision label/version applies to the entire module, the backwards compatibility rules for config false nodes is effectively the same as for config true.  We tried splitting them but it was too complicated, so we decided to follow the same approach as RFC 7950.  This means that some rules are not perfect for config false nodes, but they are probably good enough.
[22:21:47] <Reshad Rahman_web_547> Isn't auto-populate for system make system like startup datastore?
[22:22:03] <Reshad Rahman_web_547> Disclaimer: I haven't read the draft
[22:25:11] <Balázs Lengyel_web_467> This is interesting for servers that do not have a separate intended datastore. That means option 3 is the best.
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[22:32:13] <Robert Wilton_web_911> I think that if you system configuration then effectively you do have an intended, but perhaps it is not exposed as a readable datastores to users.
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[22:32:51] <Robert Wilton_web_911> +1 to Jason's comment
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[22:33:04] <Robert Wilton_web_911> Thanks all!
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[22:33:18] <Tom Hill_web_649> Thanks everyone!
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