[04:57:10] mbj joins the room [04:57:35] Juergen Schoenwaelder joins the room [05:01:42] good morning [05:01:54] good morning! [05:02:34] can we do an audio-delay check? say something and write something at the same time? [05:03:36] on now [05:03:54] not too bad, a couple of seconds... [05:03:57] thanks [05:04:42] swany joins the room [05:05:16] ray_atarashi joins the room [05:07:39] Bert Wijnen joins the room [05:07:46] Atarashi Yoshifumi joins the room [05:07:55] Hi, I am the jabber scribe. [05:08:04] hi Bert! [05:08:15] So if you want me to relay any questions/comments, then pls let me know [05:08:20] is audio good out there [05:08:25] Hi Martin [05:08:31] yes audio is good [05:08:53] thanks [05:09:20] SYstem Data Model, is our first new WG work item [05:11:19] ywang830 joins the room [05:11:33] Lada Lhotka joins the room [05:14:00] mic: will we move the local user config from nacm to this system draft? [05:15:00] @mbj: as you are coming up, maybe you can pose that question as well [05:15:14] i have put jabber on screen [05:16:49] sure, and this is related to the structure question [05:17:11] can you post structure into jabber? [05:21:09] martin, anything to add? [05:21:34] should I post our structure idea? [05:21:39] paste [05:21:48] yes, paste it [05:22:39] First high-level structure [05:22:47] module ietf-??? { container system; // or should it be specified in a separate doc? interface - specified in a separate document container services; container network; // mibs (maybe) - specified in a separate document [05:23:12] Example of what could go into system: [05:23:13] system { // Everything the system needs to work. info { ... } accounts { user { ... } } radius { ... } resolver { order dns { ... } local { ... } } dhcp {...} } [05:23:38] juergen, maybe you can talk abit about this [05:28:21] this doesn't mean that we must do everything now [05:28:45] the idea is to get the structure right, and then we can hook in data models later [05:30:25] wes: why is augmentation of user table bad? [05:41:15] andy: sibling nodes are interface, services, networks, mibs -- see above [05:49:32] andy: in this WG we do the framing (and maybe details for some things, like user accounts, interface). other WGs (and vendors) do detailed models [05:51:48] I showed the above to Andy. He agrees, and we need to work out the details [05:55:18] slide: Brief Background [05:56:27] slide: Network Description Schema [05:56:51] slide: Schema Approach [05:59:35] slide: Existing Core Model [06:03:55] skide Additions to the model [06:04:25] david joins the room [06:05:10] slide: Model Relationships [06:05:49] slide: Groups [06:06:22] slide: Issues [06:16:36] slide: Issues - Modeling [06:19:00] any comments/qs from jabber participants? [06:25:35] Juergen Schoenwaelder [06:25:40] ywang830 leaves the room [06:25:43] SMI translation to YANG [06:25:55] ywang830 joins the room [06:26:01] slide: document status [06:27:32] s;ide: Question 1 [06:33:29] slide 4: Question 2 [06:33:39] mic: i think we need the non-flat structure [06:34:48] can you give some reasons? [06:35:00] smae as juergens - robustness [06:35:08] when things are added [06:38:41] mic: if they need to exist, do we publish 100+ rfcs with all mibs translated? [06:42:31] mic: i think they use a choice between ifIndex and ifName [06:42:57] since ifName might not be available for all interfaces [06:43:31] Slide: Final Questions [06:48:00] martin? [06:48:08] or anyone else? [06:48:11] i'm for it [06:48:25] did you read it? [06:48:27] 00 [06:48:44] I thought so [06:49:10] but i'd like to read the new version as well, esp. if the structure changed [06:49:24] of course, so will I [06:49:31] I did not read new rev [06:52:47] i haven't seen any request [06:55:36] Dan asked last Sunday. Not sure it was indeed on the [06:55:41] wg list [06:56:05] ok. and not on yang-doctors either, i assume? [06:56:25] Atarashi Yoshifumi leaves the room [06:56:35] Dan says he did send it. Are you volunteering [06:56:42] :) [06:56:46] whoops [06:57:05] dan interpreted your smile as a YES [06:57:20] it is 125 pages [06:57:28] I haven't seen that on yang-doctirs, but I have seen other emails. [06:57:58] Yes I know, I have partly reviewed it in the past. the model is one thing, but you really need to read up on ipfix as well... [06:58:40] that too. 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