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[05:01:42] <Juergen Schoenwaelder> good morning
[05:01:54] <mbj> good morning!
[05:02:34] <mbj> can we do an audio-delay check?  say something and write something at the same time?
[05:03:36] <Juergen Schoenwaelder> on now 
[05:03:54] <mbj> not too bad, a couple of seconds...
[05:03:57] <mbj> thanks
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[05:07:55] <Bert Wijnen> Hi, I am the jabber scribe.
[05:08:04] <mbj> hi Bert!
[05:08:15] <Bert Wijnen> So if you want me to relay any questions/comments, then pls let me know
[05:08:20] <Bert Wijnen> is audio good out there
[05:08:25] <Bert Wijnen> Hi Martin
[05:08:31] <mbj> yes audio is good
[05:08:53] <Bert Wijnen> thanks
[05:09:20] <Bert Wijnen> SYstem Data Model, is our first new WG work item
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[05:14:00] <mbj> mic: will we move the local user config from nacm to this system draft?
[05:15:00] <swany> @mbj: as you are coming up, maybe you can pose that question as well
[05:15:14] <Juergen Schoenwaelder> i have put jabber on screen
[05:16:49] <mbj> sure, and this is related to the structure question
[05:17:11] <Juergen Schoenwaelder> can you post structure into jabber?
[05:21:09] <Juergen Schoenwaelder> martin, anything to add?
[05:21:34] <mbj> should I post our structure idea?
[05:21:39] <mbj> paste
[05:21:48] <Juergen Schoenwaelder> yes, paste it
[05:22:39] <mbj> First high-level structure
[05:22:47] <mbj>  module ietf-??? {
 
   container system;  // or should it be specified in a separate doc?
   interface - specified in a separate document
   container services;
   container network;
   // mibs (maybe) - specified in a separate document

[05:23:12] <mbj> Example of what could go into system:
[05:23:13] <mbj> system {		// Everything the system needs to work.
  info { ... }
  accounts {
    user { ... }
  }
  radius { ... }
  resolver {
    order
    dns { ... }
    local { ... }
  }
  dhcp {...}
}

[05:23:38] <mbj> juergen, maybe you can talk abit about this
[05:28:21] <mbj> this doesn't mean that we must do everything now
[05:28:45] <mbj> the idea is to get the structure right, and then we can hook in data models later
[05:30:25] <mbj> wes: why is augmentation of user table bad?
[05:41:15] <mbj> andy: sibling nodes are interface, services, networks, mibs -- see above
[05:49:32] <mbj> andy: in this WG we do the framing (and maybe details for some things, like user accounts, interface).  other WGs (and vendors) do detailed models
[05:51:48] <Bert Wijnen> I showed the above to Andy. He agrees, and we need to work out the details
[05:55:18] <Bert Wijnen> slide: Brief Background
[05:56:27] <Bert Wijnen> slide: Network Description Schema
[05:56:51] <Bert Wijnen> slide: Schema Approach
[05:59:35] <Bert Wijnen> slide: Existing Core Model
[06:03:55] <Bert Wijnen> skide Additions to the model
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[06:05:10] <Bert Wijnen> slide: Model Relationships
[06:05:49] <Bert Wijnen> slide: Groups
[06:06:22] <Bert Wijnen> slide: Issues
[06:16:36] <Bert Wijnen> slide: Issues - Modeling
[06:19:00] <Bert Wijnen> any comments/qs from jabber participants?
[06:25:35] <Bert Wijnen> Juergen Schoenwaelder
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[06:25:43] <Bert Wijnen> SMI translation to YANG
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[06:26:01] <Bert Wijnen> slide: document status
[06:27:32] <Bert Wijnen> s;ide: Question 1
[06:33:29] <Bert Wijnen> slide 4: Question 2
[06:33:39] <mbj> mic: i think we need the non-flat structure
[06:34:48] <Lada Lhotka> can you give some reasons?
[06:35:00] <mbj> smae as juergens - robustness
[06:35:08] <mbj> when things are added
[06:38:41] <mbj> mic: if they need to exist, do we publish 100+ rfcs with all mibs translated?
[06:42:31] <mbj> mic: i think they use a choice between ifIndex and ifName
[06:42:57] <mbj> since ifName might not be available for all interfaces
[06:43:31] <Bert Wijnen> Slide: Final Questions
[06:48:00] <Bert Wijnen> martin?
[06:48:08] <Bert Wijnen> or anyone else?
[06:48:11] <mbj> i'm for it
[06:48:25] <Bert Wijnen> did you read it?
[06:48:27] <mbj> 00
[06:48:44] <Bert Wijnen> I thought so
[06:49:10] <mbj> but i'd like to read the new version as well, esp. if the structure changed
[06:49:24] <Bert Wijnen> of course, so will I
[06:49:31] <Bert Wijnen> I did not read new rev
[06:52:47] <mbj> i haven't seen any request
[06:55:36] <Bert Wijnen> Dan asked last Sunday. Not sure it was indeed on the 
[06:55:41] <Bert Wijnen> wg list
[06:56:05] <mbj> ok.  and not on yang-doctors either, i assume?
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[06:56:35] <Bert Wijnen> Dan says he did send it. Are you volunteering
[06:56:42] <mbj> :)
[06:56:46] <mbj> whoops
[06:57:05] <Bert Wijnen> dan interpreted your smile as a YES
[06:57:20] <Bert Wijnen> it is 125 pages
[06:57:28] <mbj> I haven't seen that on yang-doctirs, but I have seen other emails.
[06:57:58] <mbj> Yes I know, I have partly reviewed it in the past.  the model is one thing, but you really need to read up on ipfix as well...
[06:58:40] <Bert Wijnen> that too. I did in the past... but quite a while ago, so would have to redo a lot of it
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